Third GOP Debate Perfectly Displays How Unfit Republicans Are to Lead This Country

third-republican-gop-debateWell, another Republican presidential debate means another circus has come and gone; a stark contrast from the adult debate many of us watched just a couple of weeks ago. As I expected, tonight was more of the same of what we’ve seen during the first two GOP debates. Tonight was especially pivotal with Donald Trump slipping behind Ben Carson in some polls; Jeb Bush’s campaign teetering on a full-on collapse; Carly Fiorina desperate to reclaim the momentum she found following the second debate; and several other candidates grasping at straws to continue to justify why they’re still even in this race.


This third GOP debate was setup to be a mess from the very beginning when, a little over a week back, both Trump and Carson threatened to boycott the event unless CNBC agreed to their demands that the debate not last more than two hours. It made sense considering longer debates tend to lean more toward substance and neither candidate seems to be versed in anything other than spouting off ridiculous talking points based almost entirely on fiction.

If only one thing is taken from the third GOP presidential debate it will be this: Republicans spent much of the night playing to their friendly audience and whining about bias in the media.

Sure, a couple of the questions were bad. In any debate there are always going to be bad questions. I’ll even admit a couple bordered on ridiculous. If you want to address those issues, do it after the debate. Don’t grandstand trying to score political points and cheap applause by bashing the media.

But when Ted Cruz whined about how Democrats were coddled during their debate, I couldn’t help but wonder what debate he was watching. The first two questions during that debate targeted Hillary Clinton on Benghazi and Bernie Sanders on socialism. Anderson Cooper didn’t pull any punches at all. The biggest difference was, the Democratic candidates spoke about the issues instead of spending half the night bashing one another like children.

But the theme tonight was essentially whenever one of the CNBC moderators called out a candidate for either lying, having a plan that doesn’t make sense or pointing out a ridiculous statement they’ve made prior to the debate – avoid answering, claim media bias and rant about something else.

When they called out Carson’s 10 percent flat tax, he denied saying that was his plan. He’s full of crap; that’s exactly what he said during an interview with Fox News’ Chris Wallace. He then went on to say he wants all Americans, regardless of their sexual orientation, to be treated fairly in this country. Meanwhile, he once said that he gets “irritated” when he sees gay Americans claiming they deserve civil rights. Essentially what Carson does is he says something, then when he’s called out on it later he denies saying it, claims that’s propaganda and says something else.

Hell, Trump denied saying a quote about Marco Rubio that came directly from his own website.

This debate was easily one of the most difficult to watch. Again, not because it was a bigger circus than the first two, but because there’s simply too many candidates on stage. Like the first two, the candidates complained about both the time they were given and the questions they were being asked, and they frequently refused to answer the questions. Half the time they’d give a 5 second excuse for an “answer” and then rant for 60 seconds about something entirely unrelated.


I will say that CNBC’s moderators did a much better job of calling out each candidate’s plans, comments and blatant lies. That’s why so many of these candidates whined about the questions they were asked or the responses from the moderators. It’s also why the audience brought out the boos early on – because the truth is ugly and inconvenient to hear.

If I had to pick a “winner” I would say Carson simply because he stayed the course. His star is on the rise and he didn’t particularly do anything that’s going to cause conservative voters to turn against him. Even if his tax plan did get called out – I’m sure that won’t matter to most Republicans watching.

Rubio and Cruz will also rise in the eyes of conservatives, but I wouldn’t say either were run-away winners at all. They had their moments, but they didn’t say anything that they hadn’t said in previous debates.

If I had to pick the losers, I would say Trump and Bush. When it comes to Trump, it’s the same rhetoric he’s been using for months. I think his shtick is wearing off and with each debate it seems like his campaign is simply running out of steam.

As for Bush, he was the clear overall loser and I think it’s over for the former Florida governor. He’s just not a very good candidate. When he answers questions he seems unsure of what he’s saying and almost disgusted that more people aren’t taking him seriously. Unless something major happens over the next few weeks (possibly sooner), I wouldn’t be surprised to see him drop out.

As for the rest of the candidates, I don’t look for any of them to make any major moves up or down. Maybe a percentage point  here or there, but that’s it.

But what this debate ultimately did was prove once again how out of touch the Republican party has become. This is a group of people who seem more concerned with becoming the darling of the conservative media than actually offering rational plans to help most Americans. It was just another debate filled with petty attacks, worn out rhetoric and many of the same failed recycled ideas Republicans have been pushing for the last 30+ years, and they should be ashamed if they truly consider themselves “deadly serious” candidates.



Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • Creeayshun Sighuntist

    When you don’t have solutions or ideas and the track record of your entire party is “failure”, you blame the media for pointing out the truth.

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    • OMGface

      Bingo. Tapdance, deflect…. but, only a Faustian being would be capable of doing that…and that they mostly are may be the most malignant part of all..

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  • Jim Bean

    Allen, you really need to reflect on who/what you want to be as a person. This debate revealed two things: (1) CNBC maliciously put together a left-wing assassination squad to host a POTUS primary debate in order – not to fairly inform the public but to destroy their political opponents – and made a complete fool of themselves and liberals in general, to the extent they were repeated booed by the studio audience, and (2) that ALL of the candidates seem more passionate about addressing the real economic issues that this country faces than getting themselves elected – in stark contrast to the Dem debate which was nothing more than Bernie and Hillary trying to prove that he/she, not the other, is the true Santa Claus. (And that Hillary is not a man, lets not leave that out.)

    This episode was probably the most blatant display of Left-wing nastiness, hatred, and irresponsibility the nation has ever witnessed.

    You’re nuts if you think you can spin this one and come off no more credible than the CNBC moderators. .

    • suburbancuurmudgeon

      Once again, you are delusional. Why is asking substantive questions about one’s policies an “assassination?” You can’t stand the heat, stay the hell out of the kitchen. The GOP isn’t interested in “fairly informing the public.” It want to play to the base, and the base isn’t interested in facts.

      • strayaway

        “You look at the questions: ‘Donald Trump, are you a comic-book villain?,’ ‘Ben Carson, can you do math?,’ ‘John Kasich, will you insult two people over here?,’ ‘Marco Rubio, why don’t you resign?,’ ‘Jeb Bush, why have your numbers fallen?'””How about talking about the substantive issues people care about?” -Ted Cruz debate response that achieved the highest ever (98) score in any Frank Lutz focus group

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        GOP myth # 1,000,000.
        You actually take Cruz seriously, and that is a problem, especially when you quote him.

      • strayaway

        I did quote Cruz. This article just said he “whined”. Quotes are generally more accurate than characterizations. As I previously pointed out and would like to repeat, that comment received the highest ever score in any of Frank Lutz’ focus groups. Deal with it.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        you quoted Cruz like what he said was factual. SMH

      • strayaway

        Was Cruz wrong? There must be some transcript of the debate to make your insinuation.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        what he said is not factually correct. Those questions were never asked. He was exaggerating….wow. Maybe you should have watched the debate.

      • strayaway

        Do you have a link to a transcript or are we supposed to believe you?

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        I don’t need to disprove something that never happened. Kind of like disproving the existence of Santa Claus…..get a grip buddy.

      • strayaway

        You are making a claim. It shouldn’t be very hard to back up your claim.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        prove what Cruz said is factual. I’ll be waiting. Just because he babbles, that doesn’t make it a factual statement. Or don’t you understand that? Did I catch you with your pants around your ankles on this?

      • strayaway

        OK, I found all of Cruz’s quotes lined up with the questions. You won’t like the source but the audio recordings are good. Not only did Cruz correctly summarize the questions, he did so in the proper order. Google:
        “Glenn Beck Puts Ted Cruz’s ‘Eerily Accurate’ Memory to the Test After CNBC Debate”
        Not only were you lazy, arrogant, and foul mouthed, but you lost. Beck also makes the point that having such a fine memory, which you seem to lack, would be an invaluable asset to a president.

      • visibleunderwater

        I don’t like Cruz’s stances on most things, but I will admit he is very intelligent and really is an excellent debater, he just doesn’t get the chance for that to show in these debates…

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        the voices in your head are a better source than Glenn Beck. Good luck in your psychosis.

      • strayaway

        I proved what Cruz said was factual. That was your request when you couldn’t prove otherwise.

        You lose.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        No you didn’t. Yes he said those things. No, they are not factually correct. HTH.

      • strayaway

        You must not have listened to the audio.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        are you done yet…. I get it, you can’t admit you are wrong. So please, show me exactly where Kasich is asked, “will you insult two people over there?” Show me the audio clip where he is asked this since you have listened to it “somewhere”. Thanks in advance.

      • strayaway

        “As for the question to Kasich, he was asked about a speech he gave on Tuesday calling his rivals’ proposals “crazy.”” -Vox

        Vox caught it. You didn’t. But here, loser, I did your homework. Cruz’ allegation was that some questions failed to address serious issues. Here, according to Vox, Kasich was being asked about names he called fellow candidates to drive some wedges and help make Cruz’ point.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        so he didn’t say it. Got it. Thanks for the confirmation. I get it though, the GOP can’t answer anything without whining or exaggerating. Someone needs to bring tissue to the next debate.

      • strayaway

        Reread what I wrote or go directly to the transcript as I suggested. A course in reading comprehension might help too. But here, I did that for you per your request, “So please, show me exactly where Kasich is asked, “will you insult two people over there?” Show me the audio clip where he is asked this since you have listened to it “somewhere”. Thanks in advance.”)

        “HARWOOD (to Kasich): I’m about to ask you about this.

        That is, you had some very strong words to say yesterday about what’s happening in your party and what you’re hearing from the two gentlemen we’ve just heard from. Would you repeat it?”

        “HARWOOD: Well, let’s just get more pointed about it. You said yesterday that you were hearing proposals that were just crazy from your colleagues.

        Who were you talking about?”

        You’re welcome!

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        So, he was exaggerating. Got it. I guess this is what you do when you don’t like to be asked questions that pertain to things that have been said and their records. Again, bring a large box of tissues….this systemic whining is pathetic, by the candidates and you.

      • strayaway

        ha ha, You lost!

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        Hardly….but let’s you stop whining is fine by me.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        here’s a tissue for you….

    • Creeayshun Sighuntist

      You are probably one of those types defending the cop who threw the teenage girl to the ground but whine that the media is being mean to conservatives….

      I thought these people wanted to be President of the ENTIRE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, not just the red ones. Why do you think they don’t have to answer questions about their record? Do moderators only get to ask prepackaged questions that suit their narrative? Really? If they can’t handle handle the media without whining, how will they ever handle Putin or China?

      What were the 1st questions Hillary and Bernie answered? Why weren’t you boo hooing the “media” for asking those?

      Democrats answer everything. Hillary wasted 11 hours on a purely partisan sham and answered everything. Republitards can’t last 11 minutes without crying about some fake conspiracy of media bias. The GOP is weak. Every single candidate they have is deeply flawed.

      • strayaway

        quote: “I thought these people wanted to be President of the ENTIRE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, not just the red ones.”

        It would be refreshing to even have a president who represented the ENTIRE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA instead of the UN, corporatist interests, the 1%, and/or third world interests. I’m not suggesting that any of these Republicans would either but I think you are almost onto something.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        I keep hearing GOP babblers talking about “making America Great again”. When are they referring to? Was it when they had TOTAL control under Dumbya Bush? Was it “great” then?

      • strayaway

        Ok, it must be Bush’s fault. You must like taking threads off track. But yeah, you must be right about all of Obama’s shortcomings being Bush’s fault.

      • Robby Barrows

        Uh what’s wrong with the United Nations? I mean, other than the fact its a completely fangless entity that America founded post WWII.

      • strayaway

        The UN does some good things. it is an excellent world forum to begin with. However, US presidents take oaths to “preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States” not the UN. Any president who obligates the US to de facto treaties at the UN needs 2/3 of the Senate to support him when he does so.

      • Robby Barrows

        Do you forget that the United Nations was, again, FOUNDED by the United States after World War II. And how does supporting UN treaties NOT do that?

      • strayaway

        I didn’t come out against supporting all UN treaties. I came out against signing on to any treaty that is not supported with a 2/3 senate vote as required by our Constitution. Going back a couple of posts, my mention of the UN is in reference to presidents being more loyal to their oath of office than, for instance, the wants and needs of other countries.

      • visibleunderwater

        I think the UN is the only reason we haven’t started WWIII yet

      • visibleunderwater

        really, the UN has probably kept us from having WWIII

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        No, when are they referring to? When was the great time they harken back to? Maybe when Clinton was in office?

      • strayaway

        Who is “they”? It sounds like a Trump quote. I never mentioned that quote so write Trump and find out.

      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        This seems to be a theme with the GOP in general. (but yes, tRump said is quite a bit) When was America so great that we need to go back to that time? I’m just trying to do the numbers here…..

      • noah vail

        when i look at the actual accomplishments of obama i can hardly find reason to fault him…we’re in a hell of a lot better shape now than when he took office…imagine where we could be if he had people in congress that cared more about their country than about appeasing Fux News viewers, being obstructionists and walking the party line instead of thinking for themselves…

      • strayaway

        noah, you have such low standards. The average American family makes $2,500 less, its medical insurance premiums are up $1,500, racial relations have measurably frayed, black incomes, savings and home ownership have declined relative to those of whites, the cold war with Russia was rekindled, Obama’s messes in Syria and Libya have resulted in a host of problems including refugees, the national debt has been run up $9T, all of this under Obama. Whatever pill you’re taking, I want some. Calling Fox News “Fux” News was so very clever and classy.

      • noah vail

        “Calling Fox News “Fux” News was so very clever and classy”…..every bit as classy as the station itself…BTW Obama has come out in favor of oxygen, whatcha gonna do now, foxboy

      • strayaway

        I start my day with BBC World News and seldom watch television. Presumptions must not be you strong point.

      • noah vail

        i presumed you are a right wing nut job and i haven’t seen anything from you that would disabuse me of that notion…

      • OMGface

        Excellent rhetorcial. Not that W was ever really in charge, Machiavellian Rove would no way have picked anyone with an actual brain. Re great: America wasn’t under Reagan either who began showing evidence of dimentia even in 1980. Forget the ugly little female who had the real power in that administration; NANCY.

      • Jim Valley

        Today’s conservatives are THE worst collection of terrified crybabies I have ever seen.

      • Jim Bean
      • Creeayshun Sighuntist

        10 candidates and a self-imposed, mandatory two hour limit = chaos. “Chaos” sums up the GOP perfectly though.

      • Jim Bean

        I heard an in depth exchange of ideas on how to deal with America’s looming fiscal crisis.

        During the Dem debate, I heard Hillary and Bernie exchange claims that each -not the other – is the one true Santa Clause.

        I prefer the chaotic to the absurd.

      • Robby Barrows

        …you’re sounding like an idiot.

      • congero

        He not only sounds like one he is one. A admitted certified Foxbot. Don’t waste too much time on it.

      • OMGface

        Good, pragmatic thought. But for me, hard to believe such craven, silly putty beings are among us.

      • OMGface

        Because that’s exactly what he settles for being.

      • OMGface

        Spoken like a have not dunce.

      • concreteblue

        Are you really that much of an idiot, or are trolling us?

      • congero

        And yet you are here criticizing the debate. You clown which is it ? Get your Fox story straight.

      • noah vail

        you sound more stupid with each posting..

      • Jim Bean

        Keep reading.

      • OMGface

        To chaos, I must add, colossally, unimaginably unendowed, and, in some cases clinically deluded, forget despotic. Only a malleable contigency of simpletons could possibly buy into any of it.

      • congero

        So you think you are being clever by linking to a progressive site to support your claim that the moderators were whack. I can see you patting yourself on the back “I showed them liberals.” ROFL’ing.

        Not so fast Foxy.

        “CNBC did ask substantive questions. That’s why Republicans are mad

        The GOP claims that CNBC didn’t ask

        Both the liberals and conservatives chattering after the Republican debate on CNBC Wednesday night agree on one thing: CNBC did a terrible job running the debate. Liberals are angry because the moderators didn’t correct the astounding number of flagrant lies told by the candidates, nor did they do a very good job at cracking skulls when the candidates violated the rules. Conservatives are mad because, in their opinion, the moderators didn’t ask substantive questions.

        The difference between the liberal complaint and the conservative one is that the conservative one is steaming nonsense. If you look at the actual record, it’s clear that what Republicans are really objecting to is that CNBC didn’t give the candidates a tongue bath. The “media bias” gambit is, as it has always been, an attempt by conservatives to shut substantive discourse down, not to encourage it.”

        HUUUUUUUUUUUUGE Difference in my best Rump, I mean Trump voice. lol

        May be you can answer the questions and correct the lies told. They are here.http://www.salon.com/2015/10/29/cnbc_did_ask_substantive_questions_thats_why_republicans_are_mad/?source=newsletter

      • OMGface

        BRAVO! I am nourished by all you Bring.

    • Jim Valley

      You sound like a Cosby defender here.

    • Duckbudder

      Need some cheese to go with that?

    • congero

      So in your warped mind the moderator on CNBC Santelli (sp) who inspired the creation of the Tea-party along with Fox and Koch is now a liberal? CNBC is liberal? Wow! You are off the hook. You are so full of bunk.

    • rossbro

      You’re full of shit, Beam. The so-called ‘Candidates tried to deflect truth and direct answers with cries of attack Media bias. All of it baloney.

    • noah vail

      “This episode was probably the most blatant display of Left-wing nastiness, hatred, and irresponsibility the nation has ever witnessed.” change but one word and it sounds exactly like Fux News…LMAO BTW, for you tpartiers the word is left

  • Jim Valley

    It doesn’t matter whether they are fit to govern or not. The Electoral College math assures a Democratic presidential victory no matter who the nominees are.

    • Creeayshun Sighuntist

      The shame of it is, it does matter. You never know what can happen between now and then. I sure as heck hope the GOP can find one qualified person who won’t do the same type of damage Dumbya Bush inflicted on this country, IF they happen to eek out a win or find a way to steal another one. And the fact remains, the next President will pick up to FOUR supreme court justices, and at least one. Hopefully someone with half a brain will make these choices and not try to pull another Harriet Miers type of BS pick….

  • ORAXX

    Not a single new idea. Not a semblance of responsible adult behavior to be seen. They collectively crapped their diapers, then stood their playing with it, and throwing doo doo at one another.

    • strayaway

      I’m not into your fecal fixation but, offhand, I do remember Cruz suggesting auditing the Federal Reserve as a first step in preventing banksters from enriching themselves by further devaluating our money. This isn’t totally new. Bernie Sanders once sponsored the Senate version of a bill to do so before hopelessly watering it down. However, it is the first time in this campaign that I have heard anyone bring the topic front and center.

    • OMGface

      Accurate on all counts. And, that any generated applause is simply chilling.

  • OMGface

    “the old order changeth” including, hisktoriclaly toxic erosion. the GOP stopped being

  • OMGface

    To be sure, as per Tennyson, the old order changeth, including the kind of toxic erosion/metamorphosis we need to be vigilant about we are witnessing here. The GOP stopped being GRAND long ago. Importnat part: what this is emblematic of in the culture at large.

  • Jason Brown

    You will all be the first casualties when the dollar collapses, and the world is sent spiraling into global economic turmoil. When you parasites go down to wally world and your ebt card doesn’t work, and you are forced to find food somewhere other than the nanny state trough, you will ask your government savior for help, only to find out that they do not care about you or your family. You are only a vote at the polls to them, nothing more. You are all sheep that are being led to slaughter, and you won’t realize it, until it is too late. Both parties are screwing us, but we continue the partisan bickering. America is FU***d!

    • Judith_Priest

      Oh! You’re addressing your FANTASY Liberals, not any REAL Liberals! *I* get it.

      Liberal, not a parasite. Make good money. Don’t need the nanny state, although I’m glad it’s there to help poor kids and old people.

      Most of the food stamp parasites in this country are Southern White Conservatives, not Liberals.

      But keep right on hating, stupid!

      • OMGface

        Nuthin but net. Also note: no society not committed to help its have nots has EVER SURVIVED….NOT ONE IN ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY.

        And again, we are THE ONLY ADVANCED NATION WITHOUT SINGLE PAYER UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE.

    • OMGface

      YOU are beyond PEFECT FODDER for they whose agenda is to make the 1% of wealth owners even richer….and, at the expense of the rest of us. I mean, silly putty fodder.

      Ave you examined ANY OF THE “tax reform” reform plans put forth by these 3 card Monte players? How c;na anyone w9iht a modicum of clarity miss the reality of any of those?????

      Have you any clue re the total monies spent on what unfolded—so predictable—y by W’s puppet masters hell bent on invading Iraq? All based on lies?

      Do you think any of of the replicants playing you for the chump you are has any desire/INTENTION to rewrite The NAFTA? Reinstate Glass STEGALL?

      • Charity

        You are nuts. Take your meds and go to bed.

    • noah vail

      it’s a good thing that you won’t be affected by the collapse because you know things that no one else has any access to…i want you to come to my rescue because you’re so smart…i’ll bet that the tea party will come to rescue all of us…LMFAO

      • Jason Brown

        Everyone has access to the information, you just have to be open to learn and educate yourself, and not meet what is unfamiliar with ridicule. Like you just did.

  • Emma Huckleberry

    Are Jim Bean and strayaway the same person?

    • Creeayshun Sighuntist

      It can’t be confirmed, but I’m pretty sure they share the same sources, brain, and keyboard.

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