To Avoid Giving Same-Sex Couples Benefits, Oklahoma Stops Registering Benefits for All National Guard

Oklahoma Gov. Mary FallinUnbelievable.

It would seem the ignorant Republican opposition toward equal rights for homosexuals trumps their “support” for our military.  But really, does the Republican party truly “support our troops?”  Judging by how Republicans have often voted against programs that would help our brave men and women in uniform, reality would seem to say that many of them don’t.

Just look at the story that came out recently exposing the deplorable behavior by the State of Texas forcing members of the National Guard to sometimes drive hours out of their way just to register for benefits—because they’re gay.

See, the State of Texas doesn’t recognize same-sex marriages.  However, with the repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell and the Supreme Court striking down most of the Defense of Marriage Act (along with several states legalizing gay marriage), it’s opened the door for same-sex couples in the military to finally receive benefits like every other married couple.

So what Texas has done is forced same-sex couples in the military to travel to federal military bases if they wanted to register for benefits.  This sometimes means forcing members of our military to drive hours just to register for benefits.

Yes, the State of Texas is blatantly making it harder for members of our military to receive benefits.

Well, the State of Oklahoma has taken it a step further.  What they’ve decided to do is simply stop registering any military couples for benefits at state-owned military bases.  Forcing every member of our military to travel, sometimes far distances, to federal bases if they wish to register for their benefits.

Oklahoma Governor Mary Fallin issued a statement:

“The state of Oklahoma does not recognize same-sex marriages, nor does it confer marriage benefits to same-sex couples. The decision reached today allows the National Guard to obey Oklahoma law without violating federal rules or policies. It protects the integrity of our state constitution and sends a message to the federal government that they cannot simply ignore our laws or the will of the people.”

She’s an absolute disgrace.

How much bigotry and prejudice can someone really possess?  It’s honestly unbelievable that these states would go to such great lengths just to deny equal rights to homosexuals.

For these states to sit there and tell members of our military, the people who risk their lives defending this country, that they’ll have to unnecessarily go out of their way to register for benefits all because of the pathetically ignorant (and outdated) stance these states still harbor against homosexuality is reprehensible.

And let’s not forget that even these “state-owned” National Guard bases are mostly federally funded.

I’ve always known Republicans were absolute hypocrites as it relates to supporting our military and that their bigotry seemingly has few bounds, but this even shocked me.

These Republicans are deliberately going out of their way to make members of our military jump through hoops for benefits.  It’s pathetically inexcusable, and anyone who supports these sick individuals should be ashamed of themselves.

Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • HF

    Oh come ON! Every time I think it can’t get worse; the right can’t possibly be any less human, I read something like this and lose my mind all over again. What is WRONG with these hypocritical a-holes?!

    • Kat

      We are honest and God fearing.

      • Prion

        Irrational fears can be cured.

      • Himinow

        If you were intellectually honest, you wouldn’t fear something for which there was no proof.

  • ArjayW

    I am bemused that these southern states actually have the nerve to consider themselves Christians. They are not, instead opting for bigoted hypocrisy and sniveling behind-the-back tactics while at the same time touting how they’re simply following the law. How blatantly and insipidly childish.

  • regressive rightwing trash

    funny how FOX “news ” didn’t cover this with their “FAIR & BALANCED” approach

  • David Roberts

    Maybe Oklahomans should pass laws through the Legislature instead of expecting the Executive Branch to write laws and inforce laws. They need a someone like Obama who can pick and choose which laws to follow like he did with the Affordable Healthcare Act.

    • 2Smart2bGOP

      The ACA was put into law following all the legal channels required; completely by the book. Not sure what point you’re trying to make.

      • Kevin Talmadge

        Just a troll…can’t make a point, so look! Benghazi!

      • Kevin Talmadge

        Just a troll…can’t make a point, so look! Benghazi!

      • David Roberts

        The point being is that we are a nation of laws. One of which is separation of powers. The Governor cannot write laws- that is left to the state legislature. As far as ACA the law was passed. Now the President is saying that they don’t have to be followed just yet. Even the Democrats are saying that he doesn’t have the legal authority to do that.

      • Cooper McCollum

        That’s not exactly true David. Obama is the EXECUTIVE branch. It is his job to EXECUTE the laws. He could decide to hold up parts of a law or disregard a law altogether. THEN the legislative branch could impeach him (for breaking the law). That’s how this works. He has prerogative power to decide UP TO A POINT certain elements of how he will execute the law.

        Go read Andrew Jackson’s Bank Veto message it will explain the idea of cross branch construction to you. (Which may or may not be right but is certainly not illegal)

        If it were illegal, the Republicans (WHO ASKED HIM TO DO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE) would already have impeached him.

      • David Roberts

        I think that was my point, that the President or in this case, the Governor, enforces laws written by the legislature(s). I disagree that it was the Republicans that asked him to do this in that the issue was brought by Senator Landrieux, a Democrat from Louisiana. I don’t think any of this was rise to high crimes and misdemeanors so the impeachment argument is a bit spurious.

      • David Roberts

        I think that was my point, that the President or in this case, the Governor, enforces laws written by the legislature(s). I disagree that it was the Republicans that asked him to do this in that the issue was brought by Senator Landrieux, a Democrat from Louisiana. I don’t think any of this was rise to high crimes and misdemeanors so the impeachment argument is a bit spurious.

      • strayaway

        I disagree. Consider that Dennis Kucinich (D) did note that the President’s bombing of Libya and his refusal to obey the war powers act was an impeachable offense. This is just frosting on the cake.

      • gidster

        The level of discourse has become increasingly foolish and ill informed since schools stopped teaching civics.

      • gidster

        The level of discourse has become increasingly foolish and ill informed since schools stopped teaching civics.

      • strayaway

        “The Constitution authorizes the President to propose and veto legislation. It does not authorize him to change existing laws. The changes Mr. Obama ordered in Obamacare, therefore, are unconstitutional. This means that he does not accept some of the limitations that the Constitution places on his actions. We cannot know at this point what limitations, if any, he does accept.

        By changing the law based solely on his wish, Mr. Obama acted on the principle that the President can rewrite laws and—since this is a principle—not just this law, but any law.”

        -from a Forbes article titled “Obama’s Disdain For The Constitution Means We Risk Losing Our Republic” of 11/19/13

      • Cooper McCollum

        That’s not exactly true David. Obama is the EXECUTIVE branch. It is his job to EXECUTE the laws. He could decide to hold up parts of a law or disregard a law altogether. THEN the legislative branch could impeach him (for breaking the law). That’s how this works. He has prerogative power to decide UP TO A POINT certain elements of how he will execute the law.

        Go read Andrew Jackson’s Bank Veto message it will explain the idea of cross branch construction to you. (Which may or may not be right but is certainly not illegal)

        If it were illegal, the Republicans (WHO ASKED HIM TO DO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE) would already have impeached him.

      • David Roberts

        The point being is that we are a nation of laws. One of which is separation of powers. The Governor cannot write laws- that is left to the state legislature. As far as ACA the law was passed. Now the President is saying that they don’t have to be followed just yet. Even the Democrats are saying that he doesn’t have the legal authority to do that.

    • Kevin Talmadge

      That’s right…change the subject troll…

    • Kevin Talmadge

      That’s right…change the subject troll…

  • James Schroder

    Not a word about this in either of Oklahoma’s major newspapers.

  • Can’tStandTheIdocyAnymore

    Every soldier, sailor, airman, and marine puts their life on the line when they agree to serve their country. They deserve our respect and support in every way. The actions of Oklahoma are with out question as unpatriotic as anything I’ve seen the GOP do so far.

  • Cathy McManus

    I guess those states don’t care about the military or LGBT vote at all. Good luck in 2014!

    • Grand_Old_Partier

      The LGBT vote is such a small percentage that it really invalidates your empty threat.

      As far as the military—overwhelmingly conservative. That’s why the left always attempts to invalidate or accidentally-on-purpose neglect to even provide ballots to the military.

      • Stephan

        You are forgetting the S in LGBT: Supporters.
        Your generation of bigots is dying out, gramps.
        Young people are overwhelmingly pro LGBT. A small percentage only in your desperate, delusional dreams.

      • Grand_Old_Partier

        You don’t live in Oklahoma. Thankfully.

        Personally, I couldn’t care less about people’s deviant behavior. It’s all the begging for special rights “so someone will notice that I’m a deviant” attitude.

        You don’t have has many supporters as you think. You should hear what they say behind your back.

      • gidster

        More supporters than you think old timer. 20 year vet, I believe it’s none of my business who you love. Why do you feel you have the right to dictate that to others?

      • Grand_Old_Partier

        You’re making assumptions based on my screen name. Wrongly.

      • gidster

        You want my DD-214? Your fanny is of no interest to me.

      • gidster

        More supporters than you think old timer. 20 year vet, I believe it’s none of my business who you love. Why do you feel you have the right to dictate that to others?

      • Kristopher Jakob Alaskan

        Special rights? Oh, you mean the rights you have, and we don’t? You might want to keep a pair of ears behind your back, sir. You should hear what real Christians are saying about you.

      • Grand_Old_Partier

        You have the same rights I have, rube.

        And I’m not a Christian. I’m not an atheist. Or anything in between.

      • Kristopher Jakob Alaskan

        You are literally too stupid to insult.

      • Grand_Old_Partier

        Since you don’t have a cogent response, I pretty sure that makes you the stupid one.

      • Grand_Old_Partier

        You don’t live in Oklahoma. Thankfully.

        Personally, I couldn’t care less about people’s deviant behavior. It’s all the begging for special rights “so someone will notice that I’m a deviant” attitude.

        You don’t have has many supporters as you think. You should hear what they say behind your back.

      • Stephan

        You are forgetting the S in LGBT: Supporters.
        Your generation of bigots is dying out, gramps.
        Young people are overwhelmingly pro LGBT. A small percentage only in your desperate, delusional dreams.

    • Grand_Old_Partier

      The LGBT vote is such a small percentage that it really invalidates your empty threat.

      As far as the military—overwhelmingly conservative. That’s why the left always attempts to invalidate or accidentally-on-purpose neglect to even provide ballots to the military.

  • Cathy McManus

    I guess those states don’t care about the military or LGBT vote at all. Good luck in 2014!

  • Grand_Old_Partier

    I expect the Perpetually Outraged to stretch this out of wack but get the facts right.

    No benefits are being denied, just not being accepted at state owned facilities.

    Military spouse applications, including those of same-sex couples, will still be accepted at four federally-owned National Guard bases: the Air National Guard bases in Tulsa and Oklahoma City, the Regional Training Institute in Oklahoma City and Camp Gruber.

    The applications are already being processed at the state’s five U.S. military installations: Fort Sill, Tinker Air Force Base, Altus Air Force Base, Enid Air Force Base and the McAlester ammunition plant.

    Governor Fallin chooses to follow the laws of the state constitution not federal laws not specifically enumerated by the U.S. Constitution. Read the 10th Amendment.

    • Pipercat

      Read the supremacy clause….

    • Pipercat

      Read the supremacy clause….

      • gidster

        I love how conservatives are all about “State’s rights” yet ignore the Supremacy clause, the Full Faith and Credit clause and any other Constitutional dictate that they do not like, or that renders equal, people they see as inferior.

      • Pipercat

        Damned inconvenient those pesky articles….

      • Pipercat

        Damned inconvenient those pesky articles….

      • gidster

        I love how conservatives are all about “State’s rights” yet ignore the Supremacy clause, the Full Faith and Credit clause and any other Constitutional dictate that they do not like, or that renders equal, people they see as inferior.

    • Steve Wascher

      Actually, the article did a really good job of pointing that out, but thanks anyway. Its really silly that someone who preaches the sanctity of marriage is a divorcee and wants to act high and mighty and make things harder for people who volunteer. Many of these same people make low wages for their efforts in the guard and it is quite an expense for some to travel far. If you are willing to serve your country or serve in your states guard then you damn well should be able to sleep with who you want, marry who you want etc. And please dont come back with oh so they should be allowed to marry children blah blah blah cause that is just plain trolling.

      • Grand_Old_Partier

        You have no clue the distances between state-owned Guard facilities and federally-owned Guard facilities in Oklahoma, rendering your comment irrelevant.

      • Informer

        It’s simple, really, shut down all the state National Guard units. Strip them of all the federal money they get, MY tax money and every other taxpaying citizens money. Why you may ask? Because of this: Incidentally, the state’s facilities were built almost entirely with federal funds and 90 percent of the Oklahoma Military Department — which includes the National Guard — is funded by the federal government. Stop all federal funds going to these facilities, period. You will see just how fast they will do an about face when they have NO Guard to protect cities/help clean up after tornadoes and other natural disasters.

      • Grand_Old_Partier

        Aint’t gonna happen. Doesn’t matter how much you want it. Empty threat.

      • Informer

        I wouldn’t bet on that if I were you, lol.

      • Grand_Old_Partier

        You have no clue the distances between state-owned Guard facilities and federally-owned Guard facilities in Oklahoma, rendering your comment irrelevant.

    • Steve Wascher

      Actually, the article did a really good job of pointing that out, but thanks anyway. Its really silly that someone who preaches the sanctity of marriage is a divorcee and wants to act high and mighty and make things harder for people who volunteer. Many of these same people make low wages for their efforts in the guard and it is quite an expense for some to travel far. If you are willing to serve your country or serve in your states guard then you damn well should be able to sleep with who you want, marry who you want etc. And please dont come back with oh so they should be allowed to marry children blah blah blah cause that is just plain trolling.

    • gidster

      It is also patently unconstitutional.

      U.S. Constitution Full Faith and Credit Clause Art. 4, sect. 1.

      “Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts,
      records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress
      may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records,
      and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.”

      Oklahoma does not have the authority to ignore or refuse to recognize marriage contracts from other states. It’s just the law.

    • gidster

      It is also patently unconstitutional.

      U.S. Constitution Full Faith and Credit Clause Art. 4, sect. 1.

      “Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts,
      records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress
      may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records,
      and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.”

      Oklahoma does not have the authority to ignore or refuse to recognize marriage contracts from other states. It’s just the law.

      • Grand_Old_Partier

        Then why can’t I carry my concealed weapons in New York City? Or Washington DC?

      • strayaway

        Great response!

  • Grand_Old_Partier

    I expect the Perpetually Outraged to stretch this out of wack but get the facts right.

    No benefits are being denied, just not being accepted at state owned facilities.

    Military spouse applications, including those of same-sex couples, will still be accepted at four federally-owned National Guard bases: the Air National Guard bases in Tulsa and Oklahoma City, the Regional Training Institute in Oklahoma City and Camp Gruber.

    The applications are already being processed at the state’s five U.S. military installations: Fort Sill, Tinker Air Force Base, Altus Air Force Base, Enid Air Force Base and the McAlester ammunition plant.

    Governor Fallin chooses to follow the laws of the state constitution not federal laws not specifically enumerated by the U.S. Constitution. Read the 10th Amendment.

  • Skyhollower

    It should be very simple. Yes as a state they have the right to do this, as reprehensible as it is. Their State Constitution and their State “integrity” can be upheld to the fullest extent they wish. The Federal Government should be also have the right to withhold any Federal Funding to those states that do not comply with Federal Law. It really should be that simple.

  • Skyhollower

    It should be very simple. Yes as a state they have the right to do this, as reprehensible as it is. Their State Constitution and their State “integrity” can be upheld to the fullest extent they wish. The Federal Government should be also have the right to withhold any Federal Funding to those states that do not comply with Federal Law. It really should be that simple.

    • Grand_Old_Partier

      The federal government can’t just withhold federal funding willy-nilly.

    • Grand_Old_Partier

      The federal government can’t just withhold federal funding willy-nilly.

      • godlessveteran

        Feds cut the paychecks, they can tell the workers to do their job or face disciplinary action/unemployment

      • godlessveteran

        Feds cut the paychecks, they can tell the workers to do their job or face disciplinary action/unemployment

      • gidster

        They can choose to withdraw federal funding if states do not comply with federal law. Why do you think schools put up with that “No child left behind” nonsense?

      • Grand_Old_Partier

        In this case, funding for what?

      • gidster

        They can choose to withdraw federal funding if states do not comply with federal law. Why do you think schools put up with that “No child left behind” nonsense?

      • Informer

        Of course they can! They built all those facilities and pay 90% of all the military people in the state of Oklahoma which INCLUDES your state National Guard!

      • Grand_Old_Partier

        Right, so the federal government will stop paying military people in Oklahoma because the governor is following state law? Isn’t that hypocritical?

      • Informer

        Not at all, they are defying a federal directive. When certain parts of the DOMA were struck down by the Supreme Court the President directed the military to start issuing the same benefits to same sex couples as to heterosexual couples, that was the law. They are defying that law for which they receive federal funding.

      • Grand_Old_Partier

        No one is being denied benefits.

      • Informer

        Maybe not but they are forcing ALL military people now to make these long travels in order to file for them when they can be done in a facility that federal government paid for and by personnel that the federal government writes the checks for. It’s ridiculous, if they don’t want to follow the directives/laws with their state guard then by all means stop the flow of my tax dollars to this facility. They can’t pick and choose which part of the laws they can follow.

      • strayaway

        Why can’t the federal government just allow them to register at the local post office instead of making them drive across the state? Only the federal government would be this stupid. Bethlehem redux.

      • Informer

        Because it’s not the federal government making them drive across the state, it’s the state government making them do that! It’s the state government that is denying them ALL the right to register at the state’s national guard facilities which the federal government built and whom the federal government pays! It’s the state governor that is being a jackass because she doesn’t like gay people!

      • strayaway

        The federal government recognizes same sex marriages. Fine, thats a federal law so the federal government should administer it. The State is following its own laws. The premise of this article is that the state if forcing some people to drive hundreds of miles to sign a piece of paper. That’s ridiculous. I’m just suggesting that since there is a federal post office in every small town in the US that the federal government allow these people to sign whatever they have to sign there. Or since the federal government is connected to the internet, that these people sign on line so they don’t even have to leave their houses. If the federal government isn’t willing to do such things, I can only conclude that it is using gays for political purposes.

      • Informer

        My premise is that since the federal government built all those national guard facilities in Oklahoma and since they pay over 90% of the salaries of those people within those bases that the soldiers should be allowed to register there regardless of whatever state laws are! They shouldn’t have to drive halfway across the state to another federal facility to do so. All of our tax dollars built those facilities and as a veteran I should be able to visit any of those military facilities that I choose and fill out whatever paperwork there is to be done. The post office has no bearing on this at all since they are a stand-alone function and are self-supporting.

      • strayaway

        I don’t see anything wrong with sending in some federal employees to those federal bases to register these individuals but post offices, the mail, and websites might be even more convenient. The post office already does chores for the RNC, the DNC, Selective Service, the IRS, army recruiters so although alone, it serves other federal agencies already.

        I am not a supporter of WI Gov. Scott Walker. However, he did something recently that I approved of. Obama had ordered the shutdown of some wildlife and reserves in Wisconsin to make life a bit more uncomfortable during his shutdown. Walker overrode the order on the basis that Wisconsin spends more money on the upkeep of those places than did the federal government. I don’t know who pays the most for the bases in question but perhaps if Oklahoma paid more that precedent would apply. Otherwise, it would seem prudent for Oklahoma to at least open or lease a room on each base for the federal government to register the individuals in question; especially if the federal government doesn’t allow mail, internet, or other federal government proxies.

      • Grand_Old_Partier

        Keep dreaming—that’s never gonna happen.

  • ErrolKuhn

    WHAT A BUNCH OF SCUM!

  • ErrolKuhn

    WHAT A BUNCH OF SCUM!

  • Sean Jones

    Ahh, yes. Divorcee Mary Fallin cackling about the sanctity of marriage. Too stupid to see the hypocricy.

  • Sean Jones

    Ahh, yes. Divorcee Mary Fallin cackling about the sanctity of marriage. Too stupid to see the hypocricy.

  • nightdog

    The American taliban with there shira law ….how much ya bet she was not a virgin when she got married so if not she must be killed its in the bible ….lmao at the morons .

  • nightdog

    The American taliban with there shira law ….how much ya bet she was not a virgin when she got married so if not she must be killed its in the bible ….lmao at the morons .

  • Marc Lefebvre

    Easy problem to fix. Stop funding ALL the state owned and run bases. You would be amazed what can be done when funding is threatened. The states will be forced to foot the bill or shut them down. See, with states rights also comes responsibilities. The state has the right and responsibility to fund its own military bases.

    • strayaway

      Easier still; let them register at the their local post office.

  • Marc Lefebvre

    Easy problem to fix. Stop funding ALL the state owned and run bases. You would be amazed what can be done when funding is threatened. The states will be forced to foot the bill or shut them down. See, with states rights also comes responsibilities. The state has the right and responsibility to fund its own military bases.

  • Fred

    Move the Military bases out of Texas and Oklahoma. If they can’t support our service members, Our services should not be an aid to their state economies.

  • Fred

    Move the Military bases out of Texas and Oklahoma. If they can’t support our service members, Our services should not be an aid to their state economies.

    • strayaway

      Since the military is largely about lifestyles with the Clintons and Obama, that might not be such a bad idea. The lifestyle options of service members could be better expressed if those bases were moved to Los Angeles County or Long Island. Fire the remainder of the uncool generals and admirals at the same time.

  • FMJ

    You just don’t realize how ignorant this woman really is. I can’t believe she got elected, but she never met a corporation that she doesn’t like. She slept her way to were she is, and that is how she is going to stay there and the people here in OK are dumb enough to keep thinking they are republicans and keep her there. There truly is no end to the ignorance here.

    • iouuuuuu

      She’s most definitely not ignorant. You sound like you are, though, if you think for one minute she slept her way to where she is. She’s smart, beautiful and scares the hell out of the left! I love that!

  • FMJ

    You just don’t realize how ignorant this woman really is. I can’t believe she got elected, but she never met a corporation that she doesn’t like. She slept her way to were she is, and that is how she is going to stay there and the people here in OK are dumb enough to keep thinking they are republicans and keep her there. There truly is no end to the ignorance here.

  • iouuuuuu

    Oh and the left is so human, HF, with their late-term abortions! Kill those babies, but please don’t kill the rapists, child murderers or sex offenders because that would be inhumane! Whatever. You people are so two faced. Good for Texas and Oklahoma for sticking to their guns! I applaud them. My son is in the National Guard and Republicans do a lot for the military! It’s the liberals that cut the budgets for the military and take away benefits when they don’t get what they want. These two states are simply following the law of that state! Good for them!

    • Informer

      You are so silly. The federal government paid to build those bases for Texas and Oklahoma. They also pay 90% of the military in those states which includes the National Guard. As far as Republicans doing a lot for the military, you’ve got to be kidding me! In 2011 the President came up with a plan to put homeless veterans to work, to get them off the street and put a roof over their head rebuilding the country’s infrastructure, know what happened to that bill? The Republicans added so much pork to that bill that it would not pass, the program was already paid for by shifting money from defunct programs. They couldn’t stand the President actually came up with a plan to help OUR homeless vets and made sure that bill wouldn’t pass. How do I know, I’m a vet and I follow vet programs, everyone that has been come up and introduced since 2008 has been voted DOWN by the Republican house. So don’t tell me jack about them caring about our military and veterans. Sure, they’ll lie and send off 5,000 of our brothers, sisters, mothers and fathers to die in needless wars, 2-3 times that come back maimed and in dire need of medical care, roofs over their heads, mental care and know what they do, they literally piss on them as they step over them! So take that BS you’re mouthing off about how they so care and try to sell it to someone else!

      • iouuuuuu

        Yeah, that would be my guess. They wanted to spite the President. How about the President stopping the pay of the vets when the government shut down? How about the President taking away some of the benefits like paid tuition? How about the President shutting down public parks and national monuments because he didn’t get his way? How about the President not giving aid to Benghazi and leaving those people to die and blaming a video? Give me a break. Thank you for your service to this country. I appreciate your service. My son just joined the National Guard and I’ll be keeping a close eye as well, but if the Republicans denied the bill, there was a good reason. I’m sure there is more to it. Kind of how Pelosi shoved though Obamacare without allowing anyone to read it. Not one Republican voted for that, and how’s that working out so far? Oh yeah, it’s not.

      • Informer

        Oh please, open your eyes! The Republicans shut the freaking government down! Your shrill of a mouthpiece Ann Coulter keeps bragging about how they did it. The tea party Republicans were cheering and clapping on the Congressional floor when they shut it down! Do you not watch the news at all? I was watching on CSpan and they actually were laughing, clapping, patting each other on the back when it was shutdown. All those things you tried to blame the President for was done by the Republicans. Give me a break, Benghazi!!! That has been investigated over and over now and found to be no fault to the President, all the Republicans claims were based on a man who lied claiming he was there when he wasn’t! It was just all over the news and 60 Minutes had to issue this huge apology for not checking out their source better! The man’s book was pulled by the publisher because he lied! That’s what Republicans were basing their whole Benghazi theory on in the first place! It was found and determined that there was no way they could have helped that situation because there was not time enough to get there. Now do you want to talk about the 13 embassies that were attacked and the 59 people killed in them during Bush’s presidency or how about the Marine facility that was attacked and 247 Marines lost their lives, or how Bush ignored all the warnings about an immenient attack on the US which took 3,000 lives when the Twin Towers went down in NYC? Why is it that Republicans forget ALL about those things and want to focus on Benghazi?

      • iouuuuuu

        Whatever. Keep drinking that Kool-aid sweetheart!

      • Informer

        Find your list of the 13 embassies above the post above, it seems you are the one drinking the Kool-aid darlin’.

      • iouuuuuu

        Read my reply “sweetheart”! I don’t recall GW trying to cover those up by blaming them on a video! Or denying help if it was known about. He would never sit in the war room and watch them die then try to cover it up blaming it on a video and denying it was terrorism. Give me a break!

      • Informer

        See my reply above darlin’. There was no one watching in a war room, lol. They (whoever they were) were watching the same nationally televised event that you and I watched. Clinton was out of the country, the President was in another state.

      • RacheeRoo

        Great argument. If that’s all you have to say, you obviously can’t refute the argument presented. How pathetic.

      • Guest

        13 Benghazi’s happened under Bush. Where was the outcry then?

      • iouuuuuu

        Name them?

      • Informer

        January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

        June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al-Qaida attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.

        October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of “Bali Bombings.” No fatalities.

        February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.

        May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al-Qaida terrorists storm the diplomatic compound killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.

        July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.

        December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al-Qaida terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.

        March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name “David Foy.” This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what’s considered American soil.)

        September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting “Allahu akbar” storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.

        January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.

        March 18, 2008. Sana’a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaida-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.

        July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.

        September 17, 2008. Sana’a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weeks when the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.

      • iouuuuuu

        First, we were at war that whole time. Second, how many of those were known ahead of time and were watched from the war room and denied help? And how many of those were announced to be the fault of a video? And then compounded with more lies and coverups? Really?

      • Informer

        Umm, we’re still at war, Afghanistan?? The attack was not watched from a war room, lol, you’re thinking about the take down of Bin Laden. Clinton wasn’t even in the country when it happened. It was not known in advance, there were some rumblings, Stevens was asked if he wanted more security, he turned it down UNTIL several hours before the attack occurred and there was NO time to get anyone there, the nearest place to deploy from said it would have taken them 24 hours at least to get there. Now I’ll agree with you about Susan Rice and the video, however she was fed that info from someone other than the President or Clinton. The President was fed that by her but the very next day in the Rose Garden the President said it was a terrorist attack and that he would get to the bottom of it, said it on national tv in the Rose Garden. There was NO coverup, the investigations have proven that! How many more investigations at millions of taxpayer dollars do you want? The Republicans were basing their coverup theories on the words of this man who claimed to be there that was NOT there! He has already been proven a liar, 60 minutes apologized for their piece on it, his publisher has pulled his book and is not offering it for sale because it’s all based on lies!

      • strayaway

        Note: Peace Prize President Obama just reached an agreement to keep 15,000 “foreign troops” in Afghanistan for another year.

    • RacheeRoo

      Let’s force women to have babies then not provide them with any help to feed them or give them medical care. THAT’S inhumane! Also making abortion illegal totally stops abortions. 98% of abortions are not late term. Maybe if women had better access to birth control and a better education they wouldn’t have unwanted pregnancies. And like many liberals, I’m only against the death penalty because it costs taxpayers too much money. These states “sticking with their guns” is discriminating against people who fight for our country. If they’re legally married, their spouses should receive rights. It’s not the state’s decision to make. As for the military, we’re ALL for helping our soldiers and veterans (unlike the Republicans). We spend more than the next largest military spenders COMBINED!!! We don’t need that much to defend ourselves. That money could be going towards helping our veterans or improving education.

      • iouuuuuu

        Ya know if you poll the Republicans, I would bet money that you would find that the vast majority of them would never FORCE a woman to have a baby. We don’t condone it as a means of birth control, but only the radical Republicans would ever even mention banning abortion. That’s a leftist tactic in the media to continue to make the right look bad. Nobody wants to go back to the days of back alley abortions. As far as birth control goes? If you can’t afford a $5 box of condoms, you probably shouldn’t be having sex because abortions cost a hell of lot more and leave mental scars for life. And should you choose to have the kid, they cost even more! Don’t talk to me about access to birth control, cuz that’s BS too.

        And the states aren’t discriminating. The governments may have built the bases but the states have their rights too and the enforce the laws. Good for them!

      • Informer

        You know there are actually Congress people and a Senator, his name escapes me now, that are indeed putting forth a bill to BAN abortion altogether. I’ll have to go see if I can’t find their names. Actually, he’s a tea party nut I do believe, they are trying to do precisely that!

      • Informer

        Alabama Senator Shadrack McGill wants to introduce legislation to ban abortion altogether, NO exceptions.

      • RacheeRoo

        “I would bet money that you would find that the vast majority of them would never FORCE a woman to have a baby.” I doubt that. I know plenty of Republicans who think abortion should be illegal. Just like you can’t stop abortions, you can’t stop people from having sex. Also condoms can break and shit happens. Abortion isn’t birth control, it’s a last resort. Anyone can do basic math and knows that birth control is cheaper than an abortion. Also I am a nursing student in a school in Camden, NJ. My clinical group is going to a health fair to educate women on how to get birth control. You’d be surprised on how difficult it is for a lot of these women to get access. But this isn’t what the article is about. What they are doing is the definition of discrimination. Whether they agree with what they are doing or not, the brave men and women who fight for our country and are legally married should be allowed benefits for their families. Do you know what the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment is? Well, I’ll remind you. It provides that no state shall deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Whether or not you agree with gay marriage, you can’t say with a straight face that it’s constitutional. If you care more about denying rights to families you don’t even know based solely on their sexual orientation, which has no impact on your life whatsoever, than supporting our troops, then you’re what’s wrong with this country.

    • Informer

      As far as child murders, oh yea, I’ll pull the damn switch but the penalty for rape or child molestation is not death, tho in some cases I wish it were. As far as late term abortions, those are minute as far as the total goes and they are generally performed to save the life of the mother or when the fetus is so grossly deformed that it could not possibly live outside the womb! Get your facts straight!

      • iouuuuuu

        That is such BS and such a leftist remark! Are you kidding me? You really think the majority of them are to save the life of the mother or abort grossly deformed babies? Wow, what color is the sky in your world?

      • Informer

        Most respectable Dr’s will not perform late term abortions unless the mother’s life is in jeopardy or the fetus is so deformed that it cannot survive outside the womb. But I guess you’d prefer that women go back to the day of back alley abortion clinics with wire clothes hangers and hope she doesn’t bleed to death. I sincerely hope you never have a daughter that is raped and has no option in getting rid of that fetus with a morning after pill. But something tells me you’d chide and deride her and force her to carry to term a child by a rapist which btw with increasing frequency due to these numbnuts on the right are actually getting paternal rights to those children! Way to go keeping a rapist in your daughter’s life forever! Oh, the sky is blue in my world, unlike the red that flows in your world and will flow down the sidewalk by a wire hanger abortion!

      • iouuuuuu

        I replied to a post like this someone else posted. Republicans don’t want to ban abortions. They don’t condone them as a means of birth control. If you can’t afford a $5 box of condoms, maybe you shouldn’t be having sex, cuz abortions cost A LOT more! If you polled Republicans, you would find that most of them believe a woman should have the right to choose if the mother’s life is in jeaopardy, rape or incest. You’re an idiot if you think it’s the Republicans who are pushing this issue. It’s a left-winged media attempt to keep the issue at the forefront to make Dems think that Republicans are the bad guys.

      • Informer

        Alabama Senator Shadrack McGill wants to introduce legislation to ban abortion altogether, NO exceptions. Senator Lindsey Graham from SC was wanting to ban abortion altogether, NO exceptions but reverted back to the 20 week ban, which personally I have no problem with that as long as there is a provision for the exception of the mother’s life being endangered or a non-viable fetus. How would you like to find out at 21 weeks that the child you are carrying is severely deformed and has 0 chance of survival or a few minute survival once it’s born? Can you imagine the suffering that this woman would have to go thru to know she is basically carrying a dead child for 6 more months? Could you carry a child for 6 months longer knowing the minute you give birth it dies?

      • Informer

        Condoms are not full proof nor are birth control pills. I have a 11 year old grandnephew, who’s mother was married to my nephew. They didn’t want children right away, she was on the pill PLUS they used condoms, oops, guess what happened about a year after they were married? He was born 3 months premature due to her taking birth control pills and still taking them til they found out she was pregnant. He fought to remain here, he was 2 pounds at birth, she nearly died having him, her organs started shutting down, she had preclampsia that turned into the full blown toxcemia. She was hospitalized for 3 weeks after, he a month or a little longer and then had to have 2 surgeries. We thank God for him every day, he’s our miracle boy. So see, people can do all the right things and still have an unwanted pregnancy, there’s nothing that is full proof when it comes to birth control.

    • Informer

      These are just 7 bills that your beloved Republicans voted down along with the Veterans Jobs Bill I spoke about in my previous post:

      H.R. 466-Wounded Veteran Job Security Act: A bill that would have prevented employers from terminating veterans who were getting treatment for injuries suffered while fighting for our country.

      H.R. 1168-Veterans Retraining Act: Would have helped veterans find jobs and provide training for them while they sought employment.

      H.R. 1171-Homeless Veterans Reintegration Program Reauthorization: Would have helped homeless vets get back on their feet by providing temporary training for employment and programs to help them get off the streets.

      H.R. 1172: No fancy name, would have just put a section on the VA website of schools currently offering scholarships for veterans.

      H.R. 1293-Disabled Veterans Home Improvement and Structural Alteration Grant Increase Act of 2009: Would have helped those overcoming injuries sustained while fighting for our country improve their living conditions.

      H.R. 1803-Veterans Business Center Act: This would have set up centers veterans could have visited that would have helped them better plan our future employment and business opportunities.

      H.R. 2352-Job Creation Through Entrepreneurship Act: A combination of other bills killed in Congress by Republicans—that was once again killed by Republicans in Congress.

      Let’s not forget the massive cuts to the SNAP program that took food off the table of 900,000 veterans and their families just last week.

      Let’s not forget about the government shutdown that almost cost disabled veterans and all other veterans their disability/pension checks.

      These are just a few things and you’re going to tell me how Republicans care for our veterans and military!!! Lol, you are ridiculous!

  • Informer

    Really?? Scientists have already isolated a part of the brain that determines a person’s sexual orientation. A person’s sexual orientation is already formed before a child is 5 years old. Please do some freaking research before you make yourself to appear a bigger fool than you just did. When did you decide to become straight??

    • Grand_Old_Partier

      Science once believed that they could turn lead into gold and using leeches to bleed patients was proper treatment for almost any malady.

  • JP

    I live in Oklahoma. Can someone please help us!?! These christians are making a mockery of this country. Keep your idiocies in your homes and churches please. The rest of us are trying to make a better world.

    • Grand_Old_Partier

      Right—because churches teaching morality, personal responsibility, kindness towards your neighbor and voluntarily helping the poor and infirm are worse than providing special government favor to deviants.

      • Sean

        You’re kind of an idiot, aren’t you? You are definitely on the wrong side of a losing battle, just like the bigots who fought against civil rights and women’s suffrage. Pretty soon backwards people like you will only be read about in history books and I can say to my grandkids, “Yup, I remember when these people were around,” and they’ll reply, “HAHAHA you’re so old, grampa!”

  • tmac

    So typical of gop. When they can’t deal with facts, they change the subject!

  • Andrew Johnson

    So does this dumbass realize that government laws and decisions override whatever the fuck they want to bitch and moan about? If I were the President, I’d call upon the National Guard to expel the Governors of Oklahoma and Texas just to shove it in their faces since their heads are so far up their asses they can’t even say daylight. I’m pretty sure since the National Guard is a federal institution, that the state can’t due shit to them regardless if they own the damn property or not. The benefits they sign up for are federal therefore the state has no right into infringe on the sign up of federal services. Worthless damn politicians, you’re put in place to represent the people as a whole, not push your own worthless beliefs down their throats. Go pick a fight with a Guard and I promise they’ll have you on your hands and knees trembling in fear and disgrace.

  • Mike

    Idiot elected by idiots. No surprise there, sad to say.