Call It Like It Is: Trump Supporters are Part of a Cult Following a Deranged Leader

While Donald Trump officially has the title of “president,” he’s really more of a cult leader than anything else. An unhinged madman who hasn’t found a conspiracy theory he doesn’t like, he’s admired by millions of Americans who will seemingly turn on anyone and anything when it comes to their blind devotion to Trump.



In January 2016 when Trump said his supporters were mindless sheep who’d blindly support him no matter what he does — even if he shot someone in a public street — he was right. I’ve never seen such a large group of people so devoid of reality in all of my life. I really do feel like many of them would disown their children before saying a single negative word about the orange menace.

While that might sound a bit extreme, keep in mind that it’s actually quite common for cults to separate their members from their friends, family, and basically anyone who could expose the lies and propaganda they’re being fed.

If you doubt me, watch Going Clear, the documentary about Scientology and the extreme lengths the “church” goes to in order to keep its followers as isolated and brainwashed as possible.

In fact, I’ve often referred to Trump as the “Scientology of politics.” A man who’s so obviously fake and full of crap yet, inexplicably, there are quite a lot of people who fail to see that he’s nothing but a liar and a fraud.

I’ve lost count of how many different people, groups, or organizations are apparently “out to get Trump.” Practically anyone who says anything negative that exposes his dishonesty and incompetence is part of some elaborate “conspiracy out to get him and destroy America.”

Because that’s absolutely reasonable and not-at-all insane to believe.

From the United States press, to the international media, the NBA, the NFL, and even other Republicans and conservatives, if you dare say anything disparaging about Donald J. Trump, to his supporters — you are the enemy.

As a Texan from San Antonio, I’m sure it doesn’t surprise anyone that I’m a huge Spurs basketball fan. As some folks reading this might know, the team’s coach for the past two decades has been Gregg Popovich. Not only is he considered one of the greatest coaches of all-time, but he’s probably one of the most respected people, not just in sports, but in general. He’s developed a reputation for building teams that “do things the right way” without letting any over-inflated egos get in the way, and has shown an uncanny ability to adapt over time to the ever-changing game of basketball. It’s how he’s managed to win 5 championships during his career as a coach.

A graduate of the Air Force Academy, and a very intelligent person, usually when Popovich speaks, people listen.

Yet despite how respected he is, not only around the country, but especially among the vast majority of Spurs fans, following his latest comments where he called out Trump’s ignorance about the National Anthem protests, I saw people who I know are diehard Spurs fans who’ve heaped praise on Popovich for years suddenly calling for him to be fired for speaking out against this current “president.”

Instead of realizing that Popovich is an incredibly intelligent and well-spoken individual who they’ve respected for two decades, which means there’s probably a good reason why he’s spoken out against Trump, they turned on him to defend a rich con man from New York.

Just look at how some NFL fans have reacted since Trump’s rant against the league.

By far the most popular sport in the entire country, one that brings about calls every February to make its championship game, the Super Bowl, a National Holiday was the latest enemy to Trump supporters. Many of them decided that they’d rather boycott teams and players they’ve loved for years, if not decades, burning team merchandise and tickets they had already spent money on, simply because the league chose to stand up to Trump.

Hell, following a speech a few weeks ago, Trump managed to make the Boy Scouts — the freaking Boy Scoutsinto a political issue.

To most Trump supporters, he can do no wrong. When he mocked Senator John McCain’s war record, I saw many agreeing with Trump that he wasn’t a war hero. Apparently it’s okay to disrespect veterans just as long as Trump does it first.


When he lied about seeing “thousands and thousands” of Muslims celebrating 9/11 in the streets of New Jersey, despite the fact that there’s absolutely no evidence to support that claim, I saw Trump supporters declaring that they saw the same thing, too.

After Trump mocked a disabled reporter, even though the video evidence of the disgusting display is indisputable, Trump’s supporters defended that as well.

Even after the video emerged of Trump bragging about sexually assaulting women, female Trump supporters began wearing shirts reading things like “Trump can grab my pu**y,” essentially mocking sexual assault. At that time, I had a friend tell me that they would never allow a man to do that to her or her daughter — yet she was still going to vote for Trump, anyway.

Why?

Because she truly believed it was just “locker room talk,” and Trump had never actually done that.

No matter how many campaign promises he breaks, whether it’s not having any way to make Mexico pay for his border wall, or clearly not having a health care plan that would make coverage “better, cheaper, and cover more Americans” — his supporters make excuses.

For many of them, the only source of information they trust is Donald J. Trump, himself — the very con man lying to and manipulating them.

That is exactly how cults function.

The first thing any cult or conspiracy theorist must indoctrinate their followers into believing is that any and all information that counters the propaganda and lies they’re telling them are “part of the conspiracy.” That’s why it’s essentially pointless to argue with these types of people. No matter how indisputable your facts, they’ll always dismiss them as part of some “conspiracy against the truth.” Then when they can’t, they’ll either make excuses for the lies that are so egregious they can’t deny them, or they’ll do everything they can to deflect away from the points you’re trying to make.

You know, kind of like bringing up Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton at random times trying to either change the subject away from Trump or claim something they did was worse than something he has done.

And the hypocrisy of these people, it’s unbelievable.

After years bashing Obama for playing golf, they suddenly couldn’t care less that Trump’s on pace to cost taxpayers more on personal travel expenses during his first year in office than we spent on Obama during his entire eight years as president.

When Obama played golf, it’s because he was being lazy and not doing his job. When Trump plays golf, it’s because he’s the “hardest working president ever who’s still working even when he’s playing.”

Because, you know, Obama clearly never conducted presidential business while away from the White House — only Trump does that.

The economy is another topic where Trumpsters prove how absolutely naive they are.

Around a year ago Trump was calling the economy a disaster and the monthly economic reports “phony” or a “hoax.” Yet now, even though the economy is essentially just as strong as it was for most of Obama’s presidency, and the monthly economic numbers are coming from the same sources, calculated just as they were before, suddenly now Trump’s bragging about those numbers, as his supporters use them to brag about how “he’s improved the economy.” When the truth is, he’s done next to nothing to help the economy. Aside from signing a few executive orders which really don’t have much of an impact, Trump hasn’t passed a single major piece of legislation since he was sworn into office.

Yet it doesn’t seem to register with Trump supporters that when he told them the economic numbers prior to his inauguration were “phony” or a “hoax,” he was blatantly lying to them because he knew they were stupid enough to believe him.

These are people who could hate or criticize something one minute, then praise and defend it the next, not because anything about it actually changed, but simply because Trump told them to.

When I say I’ve never seen anything like this, at least when it comes to politics, I’m not exaggerating. I’ve never witnessed a group of people who have absolutely no shame when it comes to their hypocrisy of defending someone for comments and behavior that they’d never let anyone else get away with. They’re people who’ve proven time and time again that they’ll turn on anyone and anything that dares to expose the truth about Donald Trump and what a dishonest, unethical con artist he truly is.

That is exactly why I view them more as members of a cult following a deranged leader more than American voters supporting a “president.”

Feel free to follow me on Twitter and Facebook to let me know what you think.




Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • James Roger Bell

    Shakespeare had this one…….you idol of idiot worshippers!!

  • Complete and utter nonsense from the “LOSER CLASS”. You morons haven’t won an election since halfway through Oscuma’s first term. You are all Anti-American, social imbeciles and again – LOSERS!!

    • Mariellen Nagle

      You, sir, are completely off base. To say what you did shows a tremendous amount of arrogant ignorance.

      • Blah, blah, blah…LOSERS

      • Sharl

        Glaringly you’re in the Trump cult. Limited vocabulary & NO facts to make a complete sentence. There’s plenty of sheep out there, how does it feel to be one?

    • Marina Curtis

      Caring about the course your country takes is not anti-American. It is the opposite.

    • .
      Did YOU just try to change the subject from T-Rump to Obama, @thecolonel57:disqus ?

      Oo, oo, lemme re-read the opening article, I think it described that tactic somewhere …
      .
      … paraphrase quote:

      “… Trump cultists will do everything
      they can to deflect away from the
      points you’re trying to make … like
      bringing up Barack Obama … trying
      to either change the subject away
      from Trump … claim something
      Obama did was worse than
      something Trump has done …
      anyone who says anything
      negative that exposes Trump’s
      dishonesty and incompetence is
      [ anti ] American …”

      Yup, pegged you on the nose, @thecolonel57:disqus , you are right on script.

      My guess is that you know that everything in the opening article is true about how objectionable T-Rump is, but somehow like the feeling of being a bulldozer bully like T-Rump, and plowing your way through people who are just a little bit different from you, you know, all those Americans with dark skin, Americans who’s gender and sexuality make you uncomfortable, like women, Americans who’s religion you imagine in an uncomfortable way, Americans in need under almost any circumstances, especially if you believe those Americans are “other”, if you believe those Americans are not like you.

      Hence you voted for T-Rump, who campaigned AGAINST Americans, in speech after speech, who condemns American football players seeking dialog about racial inequality, but says there are good people on both sides when talking about neo-Nazis and the KKK.

      As the opening article says, my paraphrase quote:

      “… Your hypocrisy is unbelievable …”

      And I think you know that, so I believe that you also know that you are lying to yourself, first, before you even wrote your non-responsive garbage in here.
      .

      • LILIBETH

        Lol…. gender obsessed individuals are their own cultists.

      • .
        Keep it accurate, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus wrote:

        “… gender obsessed individuals are their own cultists. …”

        @peterblaise:disqus wrote:

        “… you like … the feeling of being a bulldozer bully like T-Rump, and plowing your way through … Americans with dark skin, American … women …”

        Either you misread my post because you were thinking of something else, or you misread my post intentionally avoiding my points.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Your points are ludicrous Peter. We have discussed them before. I am a DARK SKINNED AMERICAN – remember? And one that has actually given birth to five children – so that makes me a WOMAN. I certainly can be forceful when I need to be – we all can.

        Gender was never an issue before – White, Western libs pushed the issue and are now obsessed with it. Most of the world is not. Unfortunately for you, white western libs are a dying breed. Their concerns about gender will die with them and we can attend to real problems not conjured up ones.

      • .
        I’m sorry, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, I only got this in response from you:

        “… Yo r poin s a e lu icro s ete .
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        I ee to e – we a an Gen er as ne er n sue be or – Whi , estern li s p shed he sue a a no ob sed wit it. Mo t o th or i ot. Un r u ate y or ou, w i e we tern i s a e a ying reed heir on ern bou ge er wi ie it hem n e an a end o eal rob ms no con ur u o es
        …”

        Could that be illustrative of the missing percentage of value and wealth that you as a black women in the US suffer compared to the value and worth of the white males you voted for?

        Google the disparity.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        The disparity is your focal point not mine. You Google it if it bothers you.

      • .
        Why are you here in this thread, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, if you do not care about anyone but your own damn self?
        .

      • LILIBETH

        My dear Peter where are you here on this thread? You have no real information to share only unsubstantiated accusations and hysteria.

        Your hysteria speaks volumes of you.

      • .
        Quote ONE item of “unsubstantiated accusation and hysteria” from me * and then we can discuss particulars, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        Thanks.
        __________

        * ( … unless you think that my own reaction, to your own unsubstantiated accusations and hysteria, about equal Constitutional recognition, support, and protection, for homo sexual people and trans gender people, being “forced” on YOU, is somehow an unsubstantiated accusation and hysteria of my own … that’s @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus’s Gordian Logic ! )
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Your hysteria that all blacks and browns are being persecuted in this country just doesn’t hold water. If that was the case we wouldn’t be here we’d be dead or fleeing the country. We would certainly not be risking everything to get in. This is only common sense though Peter something you are sorely lacking of. Grow up Peter stop acting stupid. Illegal immigration is wrong. Bringing in refugees who do not respect our country and laws and that we cannot afford and who displace black people in this country are not wanted. Your boogie man is a joke as are you. Get a life Peter this one isn’t working for you

      • .
        Unsubstantiated accusations and hysteria, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus?

        “Nαzi” subterfuge and propaganda tactics are not new in this story.

        Not “Nαzi-style“, but “Nαzi”

        Original Nαzi sympathizers, the Pioneer Fund, paid John Tanton to scheme up an all WHITE US to be based on European-extraction Christians, excluding all others …

        — Reds to the Reservation,

        — Browns to Mexico,

        — Blacks to Jail,

        — no abortion, not for moral purposes, but to repopulate WHITES.

        And look up each and every one of John Tanton‘s sidekicks:

        Kris Kobach,

        Jon Feere,

        Dan Stein,

        Jared Taylor,

        Wayne Lutton,

        Sam Francis,

        Jerry Woodruff,

        Peter Brimelow,

        Theodore O’Keefe,

        Stan Hess,

        David Duke,

        Kevin MacDonald,

        Richard Lynn,

        Harry Weyher,

        Wolfgang Bosswick,

        Roy Beck,

        Cordelia May Scaife,

        … and more.

        Seriously, look these people up.

        … and look up the history and connection of John Tanton‘s followers in ( and bouncing out of ) T-Rump‘s administration:

        Steve Bannon,

        Julia Hahn,

        Julie Kirchner,

        Kellyanne Conway,

        Stephen Miller,

        Jeff Sessions,

        Gene Hamilton,

        … are all ardent followers of John Tanton‘s original Nαzi sympathizer plan to make America WHITE again.

        Their Muslim ban is really a black family break up scheme — notice no white-skinned Muslim countries we considered worthy of attention at the moment.

        T-Rump prohibiting abortion fits right in — the more white babies, the better ( they aren’t worried about black babies because they will die through lack of Obamacare, or end up in jail ).

        Every single effort you see from John Tanton on down has been brewing for 20+ years and is patiently building to a boil to turn the US WHITE majority in 100 years.

        John Tanton [ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tanton ]

        John Tanton’s Papers [ http://ferris-pages.org/ISAR/Tanton/index.htm ]

        Anti Immigrant Crusader [ http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/us/17immig.html?pagewanted=all&mcubz=3 ]

        Extremists and T-Rump [ http://www.thedailybeast.com/anti-immigration-extremists-love-trump ]

        The Making of T-Rumpism [ https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/how-the-trump-regime-was-manufactured-by-a-war-inside-the-deep-state-f9e757071c70 ]

        Anti Immigrant Eugenics [ https://www.adl.org/news/article/ties-between-anti-immigrant-movement-and-eugenics ]

        Anti Immigrant [ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/after-years-on-the-outside-foes-of-legal-immigration-find-a-louder-voice-with-trumps-election/2016/12/19/952421b6-bbcf-11e6-91ee-1adddfe36cbe_story.html ]

        Hate in the White House [ http://americasvoice.org/blog/anti-immigrant-groups-trumps-white-house/ ]

        Anti Immigrant, Anti Muslim [ http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/12/kellyanne-conway-immigration-islam-bannon-trump/ ]

        Anti Jew [ http://www.alternet.org/right-wing/anti-semitism-white-house-isnt-going-away ]

        Endless.

        We must know this and fight this with every fiber of our bodies.

        Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.

        It’s what MAKES US GREAT.

        Always has.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Poor Peter your hysteria is getting worse. Obamacare is failing because of the hi costs and lack of affordability. Illegal immigration laws are FINALLY being enforced -YAY.

        Importing poverty just isn’t working for America. Time for us to take care of our own people first. Have a nice day Peter

      • LILIBETH

        I know you will get right on this Peter dear…..lol!

      • LILIBETH

        It is so funny that anyone you crazies don’t like is somehow magically a Nazi. Your hysterics are hilarious. Especially as we all watch the face covered antifa thugs and their black counterparts the worthless BLM. If black lives really mattered they would be in the black communities stopping or protesting black on black murders and they would be picketing Planned Parenthood who facilitate the murder of black babies on a daily basis.

        Your Chicken Little hysterics don’t work Peter try something else.

      • LILIBETH

        Your propaganda is a joke Peter. Grow up and stop with the Hysteria.

  • .
    T-Rump cut his public-manipulation teeth at the WWE World Wrestling Entertainment, search:

    [ trump top wwe ]

    … watch and read, if you can tolerate him.

    BUT, underneath, it’s John Tanton, all the way down.

    Look him up, and read, if you can tolerate him.
    .

    • LILIBETH

      Love it……President Trump is still living in your head RENT FREE!

      • .
        Oy, no, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, when sprayed by a skunk, it’s reasonable to not only clean up, but find how it happened and prevent it.

        You know, why did women and black people vote for a candidate who hates women and black people?

        And why do those women and black people still brag that they voted for and love T-Rump

        — even though T-Rump has said there are good people in the neo-Nazis and KKK, and called black people son-of-a-bitches,

        — even though T-Rump has surrounded himself with John Tanton‘s minions, and is moving forward with John Tanton‘s plans to eliminate return the US to majority white by any means necessary, including eliminating abortion and birth control NOT for moral reasons, but to repopulate the white ‘race’, knowing that brown babies and their families will be deported to Mexico, and black babies and their families will be broken up by going to jail, the so-called Muslim ban, which is really a break-up-black-families ruse, and blacks will have no voting power due to gerrymandering, voter restrictions, targeted criminal convictions, outright executions on the street, and ‘banning’ from returning to the US.

        T-Rump is just a prismatic prevaricator, a liar any way you look at him.

        It’s John Tanton who is after your progeny …

        … and you think you are still welcome here in the US, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        John Tanton will win over my dead body.

        But it may take the dead bodies of your children, or their children, first.

        And you voted for it, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        You voted for it.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        I voted for THE AMERICAN PEOPLE (NATIONALISM) – not globalism. You own the skunk sweetie….Your problem not mine. I don’t blame you for howling (lol)…..you are getting SKUNKED right now. Congratulations!

        Libs/dims have lost over 1040 elected seats since 2009 and now the presidency…and they are still stunned! Your “the sky is falling” hysteria doesn’t work on me – you should know that by now. You people never learn. Have a nice day. And get some cheese to go along with that WHINE….

        p.s. Your interpretation of current events would be laughable if it weren’t so pathetic.

      • .
        Nationalism was not on the ballot, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.
        __________

        Aside from Democrat T-Rump * spitting out unelected King Bannon and John Tanton‘s pre-programmed executive orders to destroy anything and everything, what exactly do you think you have won, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, FOR anyone?

        Republicans caught in a pinball machine of their own making is not pretty, nor productive.
        __________

        * ( T-Rump ran as a Republican because he hates blacks, and felt betrayed by the Democrats who elected Obama, and because the Moe-Larry-Curly-Shemp Republican candidates were no match for T-Rump‘s WWE World Wrestling Entertainment experience, experience that somehow everyone, including the press, and Hillary, forgot about during the campaign. )
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Yes it is.

      • .
        How could you possibly have ACCURATELY voted for US ‘nationalism’ in the 2016 presidential election, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus?
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Easy, I voted for President Trump.

      • .
        T-Rump is not nationalist, he’s self-dealing for T-Rump only.

        And T-Rump has surrounded himself with an administration of racist misogynist WHITE MALE nationalists, people who are implementing an agenda to eliminate you, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus. as a black female, from any power in the US, if not eliminate you from the US altogether.

        Nope, US Nationalism was not on the ballot in 2016, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Well if President Trump is not a nationalist he certainly putting up a good front. Putting the interests of our own country anf our own people first means that you are a nationalist not a globalist. Have a nice day Peter.

      • .
        Can you name ONE benefit you have personally received because of T-Rump‘s official actions, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus?

        Let’s not even compare to the millions of dollars that self-dealing T-Rump has already added to his PERSONAL wealth as a result of his official actions.

        You present a PERFECT example of the Kool-Aid T-Rumpettes — brain-dead pυssies up for grabs ( T-Rump‘s word, not mine — YOU voted for him, knowing his attitude toward women ! ).
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Less illegals! I live in a city that is swamped with illegals and people are living on the streets in this city. Fortunately with less illegals people have a chance at better housing or in fact any housing.

        Thank you president Trump for protecting our American people first.

        Now let’s get on with the tax cuts. Oh did I mention that Obamacare is too expensive for anyone here to purchase? My sister-in-law can’t use her Obamacare because she can’t afford it! Most of the students at the University now have to purchase expensive policies and take out larger loans. We had to lay off several people due to in forcing Obamacare mandates. I could go on but of course you get the message even though you won’t acknowledge it. We are all being impacted by this crap. Fortunately we are now getting some relief. Did I also tell you that we as a small Christian University now do not have to continue to fight all the crazy homosexual mandates Obama tried to be forced on us? We are all rejoicing.

      • LILIBETH

        I certainly know that President Trump employees many women and we all know that women came out to vote for our President Trump. HOORAY FOR WOMEN!!!

        I’ll bet Bill Clinton is probably standing in front of the White House right now handing out cigars to young female interns.

      • LILIBETH

        When the country is uplifted Peter I’m uplifted, it doesn’t have to affect me personally. You only think of yourself personally because that’s the kind of person you are -not me!

        My University and its students go out on the streets on a daily basis and see to the needs of the needy. You might try this some time instead of using their misery for your political capital.

      • LILIBETH

        Hey Peter this will help many people -YOU SHOULD REJOICE….Trump’s promise to repeal and replace Obamacare has gone unfulfilled, but his order will direct the Departments of Health and Human Services, Labor and Treasury to make it easier for people to buy association health plans, programs providing health coverage via an industry organization to a grouping of businesses that share an affinity or common interest.

      • LILIBETH

        I am certainly looking forward to tax reform. Most of us women are. We will get to keep more of our own money.

        As we all know my dear Peter gun violence in the black community did not arrive with President Trump. Stop with the stupid hysterics you’re making yourself sound more ignorant all the time.

      • LILIBETH

        The real terror to the black community comes from being on the Democratic Plantation. It would be incombent for BLACK CITIZENS to stand on their own two feet, to be educated and/or working; not to look for daddy government to take care of them in exchange for their votes.

        Now that would be real progress by real progressives.

      • LILIBETH

        Easy… did you not listen to the last UN speech given by President Obama? Please Google it.

      • .
        Obama was not on the 2016 ballot.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Only his hand-picked successor who was supposed to preserve his legacy and continue his work.

      • LILIBETH

        Your hysteria is comical.

      • .
        Your ignorance is dangerous, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        Others can web search [ John Tanton ] and read all the way back and forth through time and T-Rump‘s administration for ignorant, fearful, racist, bigoted, white supremacist, white nationalist, original-Nazi-sympathizer-backed plans to white-wash the US and eliminate non-whites from possible majorities, if not eliminate non-whites altogether.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        I know you wish I was ignorant Peter but fortunately I’m not. Your hysteria is astounding even for you.

      • LILIBETH

        President Trump told you point-blank that he was not the president of the whole world, just the president of the United States of America. Please listen to the last address that President Obama gave to the UN. Obama has been very open about his globalism. You have not been listening.

      • .
        Obama was not on the 2016 ballot — but you fall into the script by diverting attention away from T-Rump‘s failings by mentioning an unrelated someone else, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, a lock-step T-Rump-supporter diversionary tactic exactly as pointed out in the opening article.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Lol….his hand picked successor was. You do remember where how he warned black people to vote for Hillary to preserve his legacy right?

      • LILIBETH

        Don’t worry about it dear Peter, whites are not procreating enough to sustain themselves. No matter what happens – the future won’t belong to people who think like you. Whites are at sub-replacement fertility. Bummer….but reality.

      • .
        I appreciate that you think denial of Constitutionally protected equality for browns and blacks is OKAY, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, because you think that browns and blacks will be popping out -w-a-y- more babies, and faster, than John Tanton plans can deport them, jail them, deny them the vote, deny them employment, housing, health care … oh, and use them for target practice not only on the street, but in their cars and homes.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Actually Peter my dear we’re just going back to the Constitution so that we the people of all colors can have true rights. No one group can hijack the Constitution and use it against everyone else.

      • .
        You mean people of all WHITE ( European Christian straight monied married reproductive male ) colors can have “true rights” ( whatever that invention is ), @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, considering that T-Rump hates blacks, and has surrounded himself with people executing John Tanton original-Nazi-sympathizer-funded “WHITE nationalist” [ sic ] agenda.

        Wow, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, you are right on the script of the opening article.

        But you NEVER read opening articles, do you, preferring to interject yourself in argument when you see familiar name in your Disqus mailbox.

        You are a round peg in a round hole, hammered home, inescapably tight.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Nope I mean a small minority of homosexuals and transgenders will not be able to force their agenda on the rest of us.

      • .
        Just like that black minority forced it’s agenda on “the rest of us ” ( whoever that is ) over the last hundred-plus years, right?

        And because equal rights, Constitutionally recognized, supported, and protected EQUAL rights for ALL, is NOT on your agenda, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, oh no, you want to deny equal rights to some of us.

        You are right on script, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, even without reading the opening article — I’m surprised you reply to my posts, considering that you can’t read … oh, considering your content, I can see that you are not actually responding to the content of my posts, you are just broadcasting your bullhorn premix T-Rumpet blast of spit, hot air, and off-key, off rhythm dissonance.

        You are psycho and deranged and unConstitutionally demanding superior rights for yourself if you experience other people’s equality under law as somehow a “force ” on you, much less an unwelcome force, or an illegal force.

        Geesh, once some people get theirs, they abandon all others left behind.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        The black community didn’t force anything my dear. Human rights is not forced issue. Trying to force perversion on people and calling it “rights” is a joke. Get a clue Peter.

      • LILIBETH

        Actually Peter, I read everything. Again, your opinion is just that, your unsubstantiated opinion….smh. (sigh)

      • LILIBETH

        Wow, what lack of common sense and over the top hysterics. Take a chill pill Peter.

        Just where do you think I am getting deported to? Most black families have been in this country longer than most white families. Just where do you think blacks are going to be deported to? We also have a high percentage of legal” brown ” people who are citizens of this country. I think you are speaking about illegals getting deported. Have you by any chance read Mexico’s immigration laws? Ours should be so succinct!

      • .
        [ A ] : … second class citizenship, jail, and a coffin, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Lol…..CHICKEY LITTLE.

      • .
        Tanisha Anderson

        Died Nov. 13, 2014, age 37, Cleveland

        A medical examiner ruled Anderson’s death a homicide, the result of being “physically restrained in a prone position by Cleveland police.”

        The case will go to a grand jury as a matter of policy.

        In a wrongful death lawsuit, Anderson’s family alleges CPD Officers Scott Aldridge and Bryan Myers did not provide medical attention as Anderson lay on the ground unconscious.

        Officer Aldridge had previously been suspended for violating the department’s use of force policies, according to Northeast Ohio Media Group, and was disciplined in 2012 for his role in the deaths of Malissa Williams and Timothy Russell.

        He was reassigned to desk duty during investigations.

        In December, an investigation by the U.S. Department of Justice concluded Cleveland police have a pattern of using excessive force, including against people who are mentally ill, and don’t use appropriate techniques to account for mental illness.

        Mauvion Green, Anderson’s daughter, told the Northeast Ohio Media Group she wanted to work for conscientious treatment of those with mental illnesses.

        “I’m fighting for my mother, but I’m fighting for everyone else, too,” Green said.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        NOW maybe we can take care of some of our own people instead of taking care of the illegals and immigrants or importing provery into our nation. Black people have disproportionately carried the burden of illegal immigration.

        I will remind you, because I’m sure you forgotten, that I have immediate family who are on the police force and probation officer’s YES IN THE PLURAL… My former neighbor is a sheriff’s department Captain, another former neighbor FBI and another friend corrections officer. My son’s father in law is FBI. So as we both know Peter I am much more up on all of the statistics and cases than you are reading about in the mainstream media.

        Unfortunately I am also up on the horrendous violence taking place within the black community that is destroying black lives on a daily basis. Ones that you will never ever print. WE all know that the number one way for a black man to die is to be shot to death by another black man not the police or anyone else but another black man. This is the real crime that affects huge numbers of blacks and that people such as yourself will never talk about.

        Have a nice day.

      • LILIBETH

        Poor Peter can’t even acknowledge that we as a people are killing ourselves at a far faster rate than anyone else is killing us. The truth is well known to all of us because we see it everyday Peter. Sorry your hysterics don’t work on me. Try something else. This kind of stuff only works on the weak-minded such as yourself. Not all black are so easily manipulated.

      • LILIBETH

        Glad you acknowledge the mental illness Peter I know that you will be out on the street working to get the mentally ill off the street. This does my heart really good. Instead of using their deaths for your political Capital you will now be working to help them.

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        Yvette Smith

        Died Feb. 16, 2014, age 47, Bastrop, Texas

        Yvette Smith was fatally shot when Bastrop County Sheriff’s Deputy Daniel Willis responded to a 911 call about a fight between several men at a residence, according to KXAN.

        At the scene, authorities say, Officer Willis ordered Smith to come out of the house then shot her twice when she stepped through the doorway.

        An original statement that claimed Smith was armed was retracted by police officials.

        Officer Willis was fired, and his previous record was questioned.

        An evaluation from a past employer stated he needed “more development in handling explosive situations” and “utilization of common sense.”

        He was indicted by a grand jury for murder.

        Smith’s family filed a wrongful death lawsuit in August.

        “… A part of me is gone, you know, and I wish I could have that back, but I can’t.

        … I just want justice for her,” Yvonne Williams, Smith’s twin sister, told KVUE.
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      • LILIBETH

        No stats Peter. That would be inconvenient….It’s important to note that black men commit nearly half of all murders in this country, which is astounding when you take into consideration the fact that they only make up 12-13 per cent of the population.

        It is easier for you to ignore the truth and focus on the individual cases than the overall statistics. Unfortunately for most of us as black people the overall statistics are killing us. My own former BLACK coworker had her son died in her arms in her front yard from a drive-by shooting. No you don’t want to hear about that.

      • LILIBETH

        Sept. 7 2016 the Labor Day weekend, Chicago hit that tragic number: 500 homicides. More than all of the shooting by cops in the WHOLE country! Where is your rage Peter?

        Nearly all of those killed were black men, shot to death in alleys and on street corners by other black men. I CAN SEE YOU ARE OUTRAGE PETER! You will now be picketing black murderers right?

        Time for you to start proving that black lives matter. Stop black people from killing each other. Almost all of our families have had some extended member’s and friends killed by another black person.

      • LILIBETH

        Most blacks are fatally shot by other blacks. Yes , we understand this is not expedient for you. Have a nice day Peter

      • LILIBETH

        Domestic violence in the black community is absolutely rampant Peter it often leads to fatalities within the family itself. No sympathy from you though because it doesn’t hit your political agenda. 73% of all black children are born to women who’ve never been married.

        HELP US PETER. …Black women are almost three times as likely to experience death as a result of DV/IPV than White women. And while Black women only make up 8% of the population, 22% of homicides that result from DV/IPV happen to Black Women and 29% of all victimized women, making it one of the leading causes of death for Black women ages 15 to 35. Statistically, we experience sexual assault and DV/IPV at disproportionate rates and have the highest rates of intra-racial violence against us than any other group. We are also less likely to report or seek help when we are victimized.

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        Miriam Carey

        Died Oct. 3, 2013, age 34, Washington, D.C.

        US Secret Service and Capitol Police officers fatally shot Miriam Carey in a car chase after she drove her car into a security checkpoint near the White House, refusing orders to stop.

        Officers fired multiple shots at Carey, a dental hygienist from Connecticut, hitting her five times.

        Her 1-year-old daughter was in the car at the time, and survived.

        An autopsy found Carey was not under the influence of drugs or alcohol, her family’s attorney said, and no weapons were found in her car.

        She had previously been diagnosed with postpartum depression and psychosis.

        Federal prosecutors said in July that they would not file charges against the officers; Carey’s family filed a wrongful death lawsuit.

        “… The emphasis shouldn’t be on why [ Miriam was in Washington DC ] …” sister Valarie Carey told the Washington Post.

        “… The emphasis should be what those officers did …

        … Were their actions proper? …”
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      • LILIBETH

        Sorry for you Peter but your hysteria just doesn’t work on me. We all know that most blacks are killed by other blacks not white. Work on the true problem.

      • LILIBETH

        I think you need to be working to get the mentally ill off the street rather than to be angry with people who are victims of their mental illness.

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        Shelly Frey

        Died Dec. 6, 2012, age 27, Houston

        Shelly Frey was killed after she and two other women were allegedly caught stealing from a Walmart in 2012, the Houston Chronicle reports.

        Louis Campbell, an off-duty sheriff’s deputy working as a security guard, tried to detain them and then shot into a car in which Frey was a passenger.

        She was struck twice in the neck.

        Campbell reportedly told investigators that he opened fire after the driver of the car tried to run him over.

        The other women and two children were in the car with Frey; they continued to drive away before stopping, and paramedics called to the scene were unable to revive her.

        Frey had previously pleaded guilty to stealing shirts and meat from Walmart, according to Houston’s KHOU, and was prohibited from entering the store.

        Her family sued Walmart for wrongful death.

        Campbell has not faced any charges.
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      • LILIBETH

        Hey Peter if you and other whites give all your worldly goods to blacks maybe they won’t have to steal and won’t be subject to being shot.

      • .
        Darnisha Harris

        Died Dec. 2, 2012, age 16, Breaux Bridge, Louisiana

        Darnisha Harris was 16 when Breaux Bridge Police Officer Travis Guillot fired two shots into the car she was driving.

        Guillot and two other officers were responding to a 911 call about an outdoor fight.

        According to the Advocate of Baton Rouge, they saw Harris driving erratically, hitting parked cars and a bystander before Guillot opened fire.

        Harris was on probation for battery on a police officer and violating a court-ordered curfew when she died, according to the Advocate.

        Officer Guillot was previously accused of misconduct while working at three different law enforcement agencies, according to KATC of Lafayette, Louisiana.

        The incidents include shooting a dog while on patrol, allegedly fondling female inmates, and alleged improper treatment of an inmate who died of cocaine intoxication while in custody.

        A lawsuit regarding the latter allegation was settled out of court.

        A grand jury declined to indict Guillot.
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      • LILIBETH

        More domestic violence that the police are called in on. I suggest you go with them next time that way we know that you will stop the violence. Thank you in advance Peter.

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        Malissa Williams

        Died Nov. 29, 2012, age 30, Cleveland

        Malissa Williams was a passenger in a car driven by a man named Timothy Russell when a police officer thought he heard shots fired from the vehicle and began following them, according to the Associated Press.

        A 25-minute chase through Cleveland ended with 13 officers firing 137 rounds at the car, which was eventually cornered in a school parking lot.

        Twenty-three bullets struck Russell, and 24 hit Williams.

        They were both killed.

        Williams and Russell, who both had criminal records, were unarmed.

        Six officers were indicted in the car chase:

        Officer Michael Brelo was charged with manslaughter, and five supervisors were charged with dereliction of duty.

        Officer Brelo, who allegedly fired 49 shots at the vehicle, 15 of them from standing atop the hood, was scheduled for trial.

        The city settled a wrongful death lawsuit for $3 million.

        “… This shooting is one of the worst examples of police misconduct in American history …’’ attorneys for Williams’ and Russell’s families said.

        “… This settlement sends the clearest signal yet that real reform must be achieved inside the Cleveland Police Department …”
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      • LILIBETH

        So Peter does this mean that you will never call the police when a crime happens to you? I suggest you move to Chicago. I think you would appreciate the police a lot more then. Using police misconduct to advance your political agenda doesn’t work with me. Try something else.

        And Mr. Chicken Little the sky is not falling. This country is still so great that people are dying to get in- not out!

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        Alesia Thomas

        Died July 22, 2012, age 35, Los Angeles

        Alesia Thomas was arrested at her home on suspicion of child endangerment after she left her children at a police station because she couldn’t care for them.

        A struggle with Los Angeles Police Officer Mary O’Callaghan and several other officers ensued.

        While putting a handcuffed Thomas in a squad car, prosecutors said Officer O’Callaghan threatened to kick Alesia Thomas in the genitals and then did so seven times, hitting her in the groin, abdomen and thigh.

        Thomas died shortly after at a hospital.

        An autopsy found that she had cocaine in her system.

        The cause of death was listed as undetermined.

        Officer O’Callaghan pleaded not guilty to an assault charge in Alesia Thomas’ death in 2013.

        The trial is still pending.
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      • LILIBETH

        Keep on using these deaths for your own political capital Peter. Meanwhile the far more prevalent deaths in the black community and at the hands of Planned Parenthood mean nothing to you. Hypocrite much? You libs never stop trying to use blacks do you? Even dead they can try to help you and your cause. USE ‘EM PETER!

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        Shantel Davis

        Died June 14, 2012, age 23, New York City

        Shantel Davis was fatally shot while driving a car that police claim was stolen.

        Plainclothes NYPD officers approached her after she allegedly ran multiple red lights and the vehicle crashed.

        Police say that Davis tried to escape, and that Phil Atkins, a narcotics officer, allegedly tried to shift her car into park as it was moving.

        His gun fired once, striking Davis in the chest.

        Davis’ family and several groups advocating for police reform have disputed the NYPD’s version of events, saying it’s not clear whether the car was stolen and, if it was, whether Davis was aware of that.

        They also claim Davis was trapped behind her airbag when she was shot, not trying to flee the vehicle.

        Davis had been arrested eight times previously, but she was never convicted of any crimes.

        She was due in court the day after her death for kidnapping and attempted murder charges, according to The New York Times.

        She was unarmed when she was shot.

        Atkins had been sued seven times over the previous decade, with allegations including undue use of force, according to DNAinfo.

        NYPD’s version of events is disputed.
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      • LILIBETH

        Poor Peter still trying to use the deaths of black people to advance his own political cause. The real tragedy in the black community of course is the black on black deaths, which you conveniently ignore. They give you no political capital, so of course you just ignore them. Their far more prevalent deaths mean nothing to you. Have a nice day Peter

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        Rekia Boyd

        Died March 22, 2012, age 22, Chicago

        Rekia Boyd was unarmed when she was shot in the back of the head by Chicago Police Detective Dante Servin, who was off-duty at the time.

        Officer Servin was driving near his home late at night when he saw a group of four people walking outside.

        He had a brief conversation with them through his window, then turned the wrong way on a one-way street.

        According to the Chicago Tribune, he said he then looked over his shoulder and thought he saw a man from the group pull a gun from his pants and point it at him.

        Officer Servin fired five rounds over his left shoulder through his car window, striking the man in the hand and Rekia Boyd in the back of the head.

        The man who Servin believed had a gun was actually holding a cell phone.

        Rekia Boyd was taken to a hospital and died the next day.

        In 2013, Officer Servin was indicted on charges of involuntary manslaughter, reckless discharge of a firearm and reckless conduct.

        He has been stripped of his police powers, and the city awarded Rekia Boyd’s family $4.5 million as part of a wrongful death settlement.

        “… My mother holds a lot inside but she’s hurting, especially when she hears about police violence …” Martinez Sutton, Rekia Boyd’s brother, told the Chicago Citizen.
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      • LILIBETH

        No political capital in the far more prevalent black on black murders. So why even mention them right Peter?

      • .
        No amount of offering of information “works” on a stone like you, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus — my presentation is for Google searchers.

        But thank you for considering a white police officer blindly shooting backwards out the window of his patrol car at a group of innocent, unarmed Black people, killing one with a bullet to the back of her head, as “tragic”.

        I’d call it terrorism.

        Racist terrorism.
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      • LILIBETH

        I’m not susceptible to democratic talking points Peter you already know that. The information that you are trying to use to your own political advantage doesn’t work on me. I’m not going to fall for any of ” the sky is falling ” Junk. Hillary Clinton lost the Democratic Party is out of power and desperate. Have a nice day.

      • LILIBETH

        Most people that are killed by police officers are not black in spite of the fact that you try to convince black people otherwise. If your propaganda really worked Hillary would now be president.

      • .
        Shereese Francis

        Died March 15, 2012, age 29, New York City

        Shereese Francis was killed after family members called authorities seeking help because Francis, who had schizophrenia, had not been taking her medication, and seemed like she needed medical attention.

        She refused to go to a hospital voluntarily.

        The family’s wrongful death lawsuit alleges Francis, who was unarmed, was not aware that arriving NYPD officers were police because of her mental illness.

        When she tried to leave the room against their orders, they allegedly pursued her, grabbed her and “tackled” her onto a bed.

        The suit claims four officers put their weight onto Francis’ back while trying to cuff her, and her sister believes she saw them hitting and using a Taser on Francis until Francis stopped moving.

        Francis was pronounced dead at a hospital shortly after the incident.

        Her cause of death was “… compression of trunk during agitated violent behavior ( schizophrenia ) while prone on bed and attempted restraint by police officers …” according to the Village Voice.

        The lawsuit said the officers overwhelmingly violated NYPD policies on mental illness, in part because the department has failed to provide training.

        The city settled with Francis’ family for $1.1 million.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        No sympathy for the 2000 babies a day dying at the handsame of abortionists. No surprise because they don’t matter to you. Only if you think someone was unjustly killed at the hands of police and they are black are they capital to you. Typical lib

      • .
        The social and citizen-responsibility of men regarding abortion is to keep it in their pants …

        … unless you are offering your body in slavery to men’s control, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        Is that your point?

        Like John Tanton‘s and T-Rump‘s wishes, do you believe that women should be slaves to men’s control?

        Do you believe that men have absolutely no responsibility to PREVENT abortion by keeping it in their pants if they think that abortion is wrong?
        .

      • LILIBETH

        The social responsibility of our nation is to not kill or murder the unborn in the womb.

        Murdering children in the womb has nothing to do with being a man or a woman. It has everything to do with kill kill kill. Unborn babies have no choice in the matter.

      • .
        The “social” responsibility of “our nation”, the US, is spelled out in our founding and definitive documents, that recognize, support, and protect INDIVIDUAL inborn unalienable rights of BORN residents within our territories ( oh well, so much for Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands … ).

        Therefore, the inside of another person’s body is outside the jurisdiction of anyone else.
        __________

        And, again, you miss the prior post — the only thing a man can do to prevent abortion is keep it in his pants.
        __________

        And, duh, any living thing killed by another has no choice in “the matter”.

        Same goes for the innocent unarmed Black woman shot in the back of the head by a white police man shooting backwards out the window of his car into a group of Black people.

        That’s a crime of terrorism — the white police only have to kill one in order to scare the rest, that’s what hate crimes and terrorism are all about.

        It’s not statistics, where you claim that more white people are killed by cops than Black people are killed by cops, or that more Black people are killed by Black people than are killed by white people, or than white people kill white people, or something ɑssinine.

        No.

        There is no reign of hate and terror of cops on white people making them afraid of the cops.

        When white cops kill a Black man who was wielding a knife but otherwise standing still and not a threat to anyone, but white cops surround a thousand pound bull moose that is trying to trample and kill anyone in public in it’s way, but the cops wait for tranquilizer darts to subdue the moose and take him back to the woods, then Black people know damn well the priorities, value of life wise, of white cops.
        __________

        You have drunk the Kool-Aid, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, and you believe the delusion that there is such a thing as Black on Black crime, when you know absolutely that no Black person kills a Black person merely because they hate Black people, simply to terrorize Black people.

        Yet you insist on comparing white cops — our GOVERNMENT — killing Black people indiscriminately, hatefully, intending to terrorize ALL Black people, with private citizens killing each other, where skin color has no meaning.

        The deluded — @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus — following the deranged — T-Rump.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Killing babies is cannot be justified any more than killing the sick, infirmed or homosexuals. The fact that you keep trying to justify it though speaks volumes of you. You condemn yourself with your own words.

      • .
        Please quote anything from my posts where you think I justify killing babies, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, then we can discuss specifics.

        Why is it that conservatives can never discuss specifics, can never quote an accurate source that supports their contention?
        .

      • LILIBETH

        ABORTION – killing of babies.

      • .
        So you can NOT quote anything from my posts where you think I justify killing babies, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        My Disqus history is wide open for all to read and quote, and I knew you could find nothing of my writing to support your lies.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Good glad to hear that you are against the taking of the unborn life in the womb. There are many organizations that you can join to help save the lives of the unborn. Good luck Peter

      • .
        Again, you make speculative conclusory statements about me with no basis, no quote from my posts explaining specifically from where within my writing you claim to have wrung your opinion, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus …

        … so there is nothing to discuss with you.

        Your post makes no sense, it has no reason for being, no target.

        — Are you writing to pregnant women?

        — Are you writing to men who can get a woman pregnant?

        Whomever you think the audience is for your post is NOT HERE.

        This thread is about …

        Call It Like It Is:
        Trump Supporters [ like @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus ] are Part of a Cult
        Following a Deranged Leader

        [ https://forwardprogressives.com/trump-supporters-are-part-of-a-cult-following-a-deranged-leader/ ]

        YOU, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, are OFF TOPIC.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Your opinions are laughable to me Petey, if you want to believe them that’s your problem. Go back and read your statements about abortion. You either support abortion which is nothing less than murder or you do not.

      • .
        I do not accept your self-imposed, extra-legal, limits, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        And there is nothing to discuss about your opinions if you cannot bring a quote from my Disqus archives to support your assessment of me.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Dear Peter blacks kill blacks and this cannot be denied. The leading cause of death for a black man is being shot to death by another black man. If you can dispute this please give the FBI a call – they are waiting to hear from you.

      • .
        Please name ONE black person who killed another black person merely because their victim was black, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, simply to terrorize blacks, to express genocide against blacks, then we can discuss specifics ON TOPIC.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        It doesn’t have to be MERELY because – it happens because of availability and proximity. Blacks are killing blacks at a exponential rate. Not even denied by ANYONE!

      • .
        Your references and your on-topic point, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus?
        .

      • LILIBETH

        My dear Peter it doesn’t take a genius to know that black people have more opportunity to kill black people because they are together more. The opportunity and proximity facilitate this scenario. If you do not understand this don’t go outside without an escort. 93Percent of black deaths are caused by another black person. Just like 87% of white deaths are caused by a white person. Unfortunately blacks kill much more frequently than whites and other groups in the United States. The number one reason that a black man dies in this country is being shot to death by another black man. Google it.

      • .
        I’ve read that from you over and over, and it is off topic ( and you do not understand it’s inappropriate statistics and lack of meaning ), @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        The topic is T-Rump and his cult followers … but you illustrate that more than you understand that.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        You are a cult follower of those who became unhinged because of trump derangement syndrome. Sorry for you Peter.

      • .
        Uhm … thank you?
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Don’t thank me thank President Trump. He is victory is the one that caused you to become unhinged.

      • .
        @Opening article: … Trump Supporters … Following a Deranged Leader …

        @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus: … trump derangement syndrome …

        @peterblaise:disqus: … thank you …
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Don’t worry Peter, whites are taking themselves out of the future…..”Multiculturalism, low fertility rate among whites, feminism, homosexuality are the main contributers to this process. (Note: I’m not criticizing homosexuality, just stating the obvious)

        Additionally, atheist minority even among white people are having less kids than anybody else. So can we say that, this is some depressing news? Or am I just being wrong here?”. THE ATHEIST REPUBLIC QOUTE

      • .
        Why do conservatives have such a problem, thinking that sexual minorities cannot and do not reproduce?

        Or, blaming what they believe is a miniscule percentage of the population for disproportionately vast influence?

        Religious people and heterosexuals are the vast majority of any population, and yet you think atheists and homosexuals are causing religious and heterosexual people to suddenly dysfunction.

        And, of course, you claim all this without a single reference.

        Yup, that’s you, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, pure, unadulterated baseless opinion, poppycock, gobbledygook, hysteria, and dark, denigrating, evil imagination, faithless in humanity, calling for unConstitutional of equal recognition, support, and protection for anyone “other” to your ignorant, fearful, miasma.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Any social responsibility here? U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Acting Director Tom Homan confirmed on Thursday that a man arrested in connection with setting a fire in Sonoma County Wine Country is an illegal alien from Mexico who has been twice returned to his “home country.”

      • .
        Jesus would not have deported him, but healed him, fed him, connected him with useful employment.

        But then, social responsibility wise, Jesus was a socialist.
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      • LILIBETH

        lol – IF A MAN WILL NOT WORK – HE WILL NOT EAT…Nope Jesus was not a socialist my dear sir.

      • .

        Jesus is reported to have fed a crowd of people who did not work.

        Socialism as nothing to do with your “if a man will not work, he will not eat”.

        You’re thinking of the inherited wealth of the self-aggrandized self-supremacists, who steal their wealth from the broken and bankrupt people who work for them, the way T-Rump spends other people labor and money to his own unearned profit, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, and YOU VOTED FOR HIM.

        Google suggests that socialism means

        “… a political and economic theory of social organization that

        advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange,

        should be owned, or regulated, by the community as a whole …”.

        That sounds like

        — our democratic US government,

        — our public stock exchanges,

        — and our highly regulated public marketplace,

        — including our privately owned businesses serving the general public.

        Again, you drunk the Konservative Kult Kool-aid, thinking that Reagan was pointing at all blacks as lazy con artists, unashamed of cadging money that honest white folks worked so hard to earn, black “welfare queens” driving Cadillacs on the white taxpayer’s dime, when the truth was nowhere to be found, and Reagan himself was really the one being driven in welfare Cadillacs on the taxpayer’s dime, giving millions and billions of our taxpayer dollars to government contractors who underbid and overbill, giving to corporations around the world, speaking of globalism, to make AND KEEP ill-gotten profits created with our taxpayer money …

        You lie when you say those who don’t work don’t eat, because those who don’t work are FAT CATS, search:

        [ government contract overruns ]

        [ history of Exxon AmOCo ]

        [ history of the US railroads ]

        [ history of American coal ]

        [ history of US treaties with Native American Indians ]

        [ slaves work, master eats ]

        [ Oscar Wheldon Davis ]

        When you pull your head out of your Bibles, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, don’t stick it up your ɑss, instead of smelling your own fɑrts, thinking they are sweet and clever, then shïttïng all over the Internet, , do some extensive new research instead.

        Go ahead, tell us about the “if you don’t work, you don’t eat” life and death of Oscar Wheldon Davis.

        I dare you to learn something new.

        .

      • LILIBETH

        You don’t know anything about Jesus Peter. Nowhere did it say anything about the people who came to listen to him speak not working . They came to a remote place where there was no food and water available and he provided for them.

        Do yourself a favor and don’t talk about Jesus because you don’t know anything about him.

      • .
        Of course … you think you OWN Jesus, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus,

        … the way you think you OWN a special truth about T-Rump,

        — that is somehow superior and contradictory to everything that is know about T-Rump,

        — that is somehow superior and contradictory to everything that T-Rump has actually said himself.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        God owns his own truth Peter. Get over it .

      • .
        Yeah, I’m waiting for @God to sign in with their Disqus account and share some opinion, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        Hold your breath.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        You’re not waiting for anything Peter. But there’s only ENTITY who knows the whole truth about everything and it isn’t you.

      • LILIBETH

        Dear Peter you can talk about the truth when you find it.

      • .
        How would you know, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus?
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Because all we hear right now from you is perversion in lies.

      • .
        And yet you cannot quote ONE such thing so we can discuss.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        I don’t need to quote one Peter there are several thousand of them. Trump used his powers; the powers of the CRA six times to be able to get rid of job killing over regulations. Businesses are ecstatic. You should be happy for us. This way people can have jobs and can take care of themselves and their families. Instead you want them over regulated and on welfare and on the Democratic Plantation.

      • .
        Without specifics, I have no idea how YOU interpret any ONE thing, so there can be no discussion until YOU do your own research, find ONE example, and bring it here with your analysis.

        Like everyone having an asshole, everyone also has an opinion, and like their asshole, no one needs to air theirs in public nor wipe anyone else’s.

        I will neither wipe, nor kiss, yours, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus,nor share mine.
        __________

        Funny how you think blacks need to get off a Democratic plantation, as if Democrats are white plantation owners … considering that the head of the Democratic party is black — why do you think that black people can only be visitors wherever they go, and not take ownership?

        Do the white Republican plantation owners have a better deal, under T-Rump, who denied black families access to his rental properties?

        Hahahahaha.

        No, seriously.

        Hahahahaha.

        And YOU voted for anti-black racist white supremacist T-Rump.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        No more plantations Petey. Do your own dirty work. LET MY PEOPLE GO!

      • .
        Are you saying blacks work US coal mines, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, and are suddenly now re-employed?

        Hahahahaha.

        Got any specific referenced facts to discuss on that one?

        Oh yeah, blacks work the coal mines … because they don’t have to wash it off when they finish work for the day!

        Hahahahaha.

        You’re a hoot, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Lies don’t become you Petey…ut we’ve gotten used to lib lies

      • LILIBETH

        LOL – SEVEN THOUSAND NEW OVER REGS….businesses are ecstatic about the 800 already done away with. Nothing to discuss – except HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN!

        By Juliet Eilperin and Damian Paletta July 20
        The White House’s Office of Management and Budget detailed Thursday how it would jettison hundreds of existing or planned regulations as part of its larger push to ease federal restrictions on the private sector, upending federal policies on labor, the environment and public health.

        The list, issued as part of a semiannual report on the entire government’s regulatory agenda, shows the extent to which this administration is determined to erase many of the Obama administration’s policy priorities. In several instances, the administration is dropping rules aimed at tightening worker safety standards or omitting species the government had pledged to protect under the Endangered Species Act. In other cases, it is proposing new regulations that provide employers with more leeway in how they run their businesses or report their activities to federal officials.

        The Trump administration said it was pulling or suspending 860 pending regulations. Of those, 469 were being completely withdrawn. Another 391 were being set aside or reevaluated. These proposed regulations could be revisited at some point or dropped altogether.

      • .
        … and yet not a single referenced factual specific to discuss.

        Why do you think airing opinions in public is any more valuable than wiping your ass in public, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus?
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Lol….You’re a hoot Petey and we should be happy that businesses that are being unshackled.

      • LILIBETH

        Love facts Petey….Starting this spring into the summer, African-American unemployment under Trump dropped to the lowest levels in almost 20 years. As of the end of July, the black-vs.-white employment gap is the smallest it’s been since April 2000, back when “Say My Name” was a new song, Dave Chappelle was just a skinny kid “Killing Them Softly,” and BlackPlanet.com was peak social media. Mind you, the 7.4 percent black unemployment rate is still higher than the 3.8 percent white unemployment rate, but considering how bad things were throughout most of the Great Recession, this is good news.

        If you’re not tired of Trump winning yet, consider that in the first six months of his presidency, unemployment levels in major cities like Cleveland, Baltimore and Chicago went down, which tends to indicate that black people in large population centers are finding work. Most important, black gains in employment have tended to be in areas like nursing, home health care and transportation, which are professions less likely to shrink in the future, as opposed to construction and farming.

        MORE BLACKS Off of the Government Plantation standing on their own two feet – taking care of themselves and their families.

      • .
        “Likely” is a suppositional opinion, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, a belief not based on fact.

        Black folks over 50 have ~$250 BILLION education loan debt, a 3-fold increase in the last 15 years, a debt that they cannot pay off with minimum wage part time jobs, especially considering that the housing collapse stole trillions of dollars of wealth from the lower economic classes and put it into the hands of the higher economic classes.

        I see older folks with PhDs working cash registers and copy machines, going from retail store to retail store, working 2 of the 3 shifts they offer round-the-clock.

        Best Buy doesn’t even pay until you show up, and they do not call unless they need you, so you have to wait by the phone NOT working for anyone else in case the phone rings and you can go in for a couple of hours.

        They expect people to be living in shared housing, their parent’s basement, or overcrowded into a walk-up apartment.

        They are expected to walk, bicycle, share, or take 2 and 3 hour buses to work because they cannot afford their own car, insurance, gas.

        You do not understand that your statistics don’t tell the valuelessness of your numbers.

        You are berserker, totally out of touch with the suffering of your fellow US residents across the country.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        The numbers don’t lie Petey. You can spin it any way you want you want to but the numbers are there. The economy is picking up people are working more and black people are working along with them. Nothing you can do about it except whine.

      • LILIBETH

        This so call out of touch people are the ones that put President trumTrump into the White House because they were the forgotten people. I think you are forgetting how he got there. Unemployment is down the economy is picking up people are hiring people are able to stand on their own more and the country is starting to recover. You should be rejoicing.

      • .
        Blacks are being denigrated and Nazis are being honored by your vote for T-Rump, you are rejoicing.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Blacks are degenerated by the democratic Plantation Petey. Time to for black people to stand on their own again as men and women not children. Is long past time to free black people from the democratic Plantation.

      • .
        So, you missed the fact that the head of the Democratic party is a black person — the Democratic party is OWNED by black people.

        Looky ’round T-Rump‘s administration — awfully Klu-Klux-Klanny-white, and you calls ’em your massa.

        Swing blind, sweet chariot.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Time for people to be free and independent again. The ‘Democratic Plantation’ refers to the idea of progressive liberal thought that people are and must be dependent on government.

      • LILIBETH

        MORE THAN LIKELY PETEY…..unemployment in the U.S. is below its historical post-war average of about 5.8%.

      • .
        Yup, I see people with PhDs and hundreds of thousands of school debt working at the local retail cash registers, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Thankfully President Trump is putting people back to work. Thankfully jobs are opening up! You should rejoice Peter. Instead you’re angry about it.

      • .
        You do understand that BLACK people over 50 have the greatest outstanding student loans … as they work their PhDs on the Republican plantation for less than minimum wage.

        Swing underwater, sweet chariot.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        The ‘Democratic Plantation’ refers to the idea of progressive liberal thought that people are and must be dependent on government.

      • LILIBETH

        Jobs and education are a better idea than welfare and the democratic plantation….MAGA!!

        A step in the right direction from the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES DONALD J. TRUMP:

        The black unemployment rate has fallen by a full percentage point in the last year, black labor force participation is up and the number of black Americans with a job has risen by 600,000 from last year. Preliminary data show black wages and incomes are up since the election.

      • .
        Okay, I’ll try to bring facts to the discussion.

        According to
        [ https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000006 ]

        Under T-Rump the black unemployment rate improved from
        — 7.7% in January 2017 to
        — 7.5% in October 2017,

        … a rate of improvement that is 8.2% smaller ( worse, less ) than the rate of improvement in black employment inherited from the Obama administration over the prior 10 years.

        Your point about the Democratic plantation run by blacks versus the Republican plantation run by black-haters, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus?
        .

      • LILIBETH

        FIRST you have to show us these black haters Petey. Where I live in white liberal paradise I routinely see white women in yoga pants scrambling to get away from black men.

        And there really isn’t anything you can do about the improved job scenario in this country for blacks. You should be congratulating us not trying to pull us down.

      • LILIBETH

        Lol….please Petey you and I both know that the job rate has IMPROVED ….The rate of job growth per month for blacks under Trump has so far been 40 percent higher than the monthly average under ‎Obama. Trump has averaged nearly 30,000 new black jobs per month. That’s especially remarkable because Obama was elected when employment was way down.

      • LILIBETH

        KEEP EM COMING PRESIDENT TRUMP! JOBS, JOBS, JOBS!

        Business Leaders Applaud Trump’s Executive Order to Cut Regulations
        Business leaders across the nation applauded Trump’s January 30, 2017 signing of the EO, hailing the move as needed to ease the regulatory burden weighing down America’s small businesses.
        National Federation of Independent Business (NFIB) President and CEO, Juanita Duggan, in response to Trump’s executive order said:
        “The President’s order is a good first step on the long road toward eliminating ball-and-chain regulations so small businesses can create jobs and expand the economy.
        The U.S. Chamber of Commerce also welcomed the president’s order to cut regulations:
        “The U.S. Chamber applauds the president for fulfilling the campaign’s promise to take on the regulatory juggernaut that is limiting economic growth, choking small business, and putting people out of work,” said Thomas J. Donohue, Chamber of Commerce President and CEO, in a statement regarding the EO.
        The National Small Business Association (NSBA) also applauded Trump’s executive order, noting that the average small-business owner is spending at least $12,000 every year dealing with regulations, according to its recently-released 2017 Small Business Regulations Survey (PDF).
        “President Trump’s executive order to rein-in the massive federal regulatory web is very welcome first step,” said NSBA President and CEO Todd McCracken in a statement.
        In his executive order, Trump also directed the heads of all agencies to ensure that the total incremental cost of all new regulations for fiscal year 2017 shall be no greater than zero.

      • .
        You are unable to educate yourself, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, on the difference between opinion and fact.

        You posted opinion, which is unarguable because opinion is not based on facts.

        If you can find and bring ONE referenced fact, then we can discuss.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        It’s easy Petey your opinion is not fact. Giving the opinions of people who think like you is not fact.

        Have a nice day

      • LILIBETH

        I’m not interested in discussing your opinion Peter

      • .
        Nor am I.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Yes we know….haha! We are living in exciting times Petey. I am enjoying the view.

      • LILIBETH

        You have shown that you have no use for the truth Peter.

      • .
        Again, you confuse words, thinking that your opinion is something more than beliefs not based on facts.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Poor Peter he believes his own lies. The sky is falling. Sorry for you Pete

      • .
        You have yet to identify one presentation I have made that cannot be corroborated by multiple independent testimony and fact, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        I have no doubt you can find people that believe like you do Pete. Fortunately it didn’t help when it came to electing our president.

      • .
        You got that backwards, but it explains a lot.

        I do not look for people who think like I do.

        I look for accurate and appropriate information.

        Apparently you think I look for people who think like I do because YOU look for people who think like you do.

        Nope.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        You wouldn’t know accurate information for crawled in bed with you Petey.

      • LILIBETH

        We are not talking about inherited wealth Peter. Inherited wealth has nothing to do with white supremacy. White supremacy is your chicken little, the sky is falling scenario.

        Not working…

      • .
        @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus:

        “… Inherited wealth has nothing to do with white supremacy …”

        Wow.

        Just … wow.

        I’m speechless.
        __________

        You are apparently having difficulty looking up and learning about …

        Oscar Wheldon Davis

        You are apparently unable to understand and challenge the intellectual poverty of your …

        “… if you don’t work, you don’t eat …”

        … and understanding exactly where white supremacy got it’s wealth.

        I double-dare you to learn something new.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Sorry Peter your white supremacy bogeyman doesn’t work on me.

      • .
        Obviously, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        … and it’s not my white supremacy boogeyman.

        More at a web search for:

        [ evidence of white supremacy in the us ]
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Your white bogeyman certainly has you spooked Peter. I bet that you dream about him every night. Your white bogeyman is living in your head rent free.

      • .
        Oy, you are unable to read references offered to you already in this thread, so you remain ignorant and insulting, but mostly to you and about you.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Minority women constitute only about 13% of the female population (age 15-44) in the United States, but they underwent approximately 36% of the abortions.

        According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, black women are more than 5 times as likely as white women to have an abortion

        On average, 1,876 black babies are aborted every day in the United States.

        This incidence of abortion has resulted in a tremendous loss of life. It has been estimated that since 1973 Black women have had about 16 million abortions. Michael Novak had calculated “Since the number of current living Blacks (in the U.S.) is 36 million, the missing 16 million represents an enormous loss, for without abortion, America’s Black community would now number 52 million persons. It would be 36 percent larger than it is. Abortion has swept through the Black community like a scythe, cutting down every fourth member.”

        A highly significant 1993 Howard University study showed that African American women over age 50 were 4.7 times more likely to get breast cancer if they had had any abortions compared to women who had not had any abortions.

      • .
        Who are you writing to?
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Killers of black babies and their supporters like you.

      • .
        Wow, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, you’re stuck like a broken record, and sick, mentally diminished, unable to quote anything from me to justify your attempted vomit and poop in my direction.

        I’m so glad we do not know each other from Adam’s far oxen, though I’m beginning to imagine a resemblance.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Quote this Petey…2000 black babies a day die by abortionists in the country.

      • .
        … versus how many US black pregnant women who die trying to bring their pregnancies to term in what for them is WORSE than the lack of survival conditions of some third-world countries.

        Your guestimates do not take into account how many of those potential babies would not survive coming to term under white racist white nationalist policies that disenfranchise black populations into depopulating death.

        Swing in shame, sweet chariot.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        You think we should kill the babies because women die in childbirth?Like it or not Petey most of us people of color in this country are surviving more than surviving.

      • LILIBETH

        Blackgenocide.org

      • .
        I already asked you who your audience is.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Sorry that you are unable to understand and read the references. So you remain ignorance and insulting but no problem the truth is being posted anyway.

      • .
        “Come alive” with more mass shooting daily, and T-Rump threatening nuclear war, and selling arms to unarmed nations.

        You have no idea the meaning of your own words, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        Please go back to grammar school, and learn the meanings of basic words …

        … like “alive”.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Mass killings are nothing new Petey. With our very amoral population it will probably get worse. I’m very grateful to the neighbor outside the church who had the wherewithal to arm himself and go after the killer .

        Folks, now more than ever is the time for our citizens to be prepared to serve as the first line of defense, not only for them, but for their families,” Sheriff Ivey said.

      • LILIBETH

        I’m right here in the midst of the entitlement nation Peter and so are you. Myriads of books have been written on it. Do yourself a favor read some of them. And before you start the sky is falling nonsense again I am referring to unearned entitlements.

      • .
        There is no such thing as an “unearned entitlement”, that’s an oxymoron, and certainly inappropriate to describe the contract individual residents in the US have with each other and our self-governance, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, read our founding and definitive documents.
        __________

        Again, you are thinking of political giveaways to corporations — that’s not entitlements, that’s graft, that’s secret underhanded paybacks, that’s obstruction of the law, that’s illegal and unConstitutional legislation, that’s the civil-service / industry / lobbyist-hopping revolving door, the industrial / congressional / military complex.

        Those fat cats believe they are entitled, just as John Tanton et alia, including T-Rump, believe that whites are entitled to rule …

        … and you voted for them.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Lol….gimmes are UNEARNED ENTITLEMENTS and your are on la la land. Retirement benefits so security benefits etcetra are called earned entitle ments. Gimmes are not earned ENTITLEMENTS.

        Unearned ENTITLEMENTS unrelated to any work performed by the recipient, or any of the recipient’s earned income. While it may be an entitlement in a legal sense, it is entirely an “unearned” entitlement.

      • .
        So, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, you have not read …

        — the credo and promise of our Declaration of Independence,

        — the contract of our Constitution and Amendments, legislation and case law …

        … or your own Bibles, apparently.

        All anyone has to do to be equally entitled to recognition, support, and protection …

        — by our self-governance,

        — and or your Gods,

        … is to be born.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Fortunately I went to good schools. Your so-called liberal interpretation is a joke.

      • .
        I’m not interpreting anything, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, my prior post is a quote, paraphrased, but a quote nonetheless.

        ( PS — I’d never blame a school for something that is the individual’s responsibility. )
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Fortunately for you I voted for President Trump. So sorry your white supremacy is boogieman gives you nightmares. But of course you losers have to have some kind of bogeyman to blame.

      • .
        @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, did you even READ the prior post regarding your misunderstanding of “entitlements” especially so-called “unearned entitlements”…

        … political giveaways to corporations

        — that’s not entitlements,

        — that’s graft,

        — that’s secret underhanded paybacks,

        — that’s obstruction of the law,

        — that’s illegal and unConstitutional legislation,

        — that’s the civil-service / industry / lobbyist-hopping revolving door,

        — the industrial / congressional / military complex …

        … those fat cats believe they are entitled,

        — just as John Tanton et alia,

        — including T-Rump,

        — believe that whites are entitled to rule …

        … @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus ?

        Do you understand that YOU voted for T-Rump to give away to him the unearned entitlement, as a white man, to rule?

        Apparently not.

        Hence the opening article:

        Call It Like It Is:
        Trump Supporters [ like @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus ]
        are Part of a Cult
        Following a Deranged Leader

        [ https://forwardprogressives.com/trump-supporters-are-part-of-a-cult-following-a-deranged-leader/ ]
        .

      • LILIBETH

        If you did not earn it you’re not entitled to it. It isn’t an UNEARNED entitlement that is GIVEN to you. This was stated to you and it isn’t going to change.

      • .
        Please quote your source for such an idea as an “unearned entitlement”, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        — Declaration of Independence ?

        — Constitution, Amendments ?

        — Bibles ?

        — ?

        Thanks.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        As I stated Peter an unearned entitlement is something that you yourself did not earn but is being given to you. You have given no information that has contradicted that this.

        We are an entitlement nation. Unfortunately most of it is unearned-just expected.

      • .
        We disagree, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, duh.

        I have given you significant reference to counter your claim of the possible existence of “unearned entitlements” for born residents — our founding and definitive documents.

        I have given you significant evidence of “unearned entitlements” for unborn corporations, to which you make no response.

        Why is that?
        .

      • LILIBETH

        You are giving me your opinion Peter. But you can’t stop the fact that people are expecting and getting money that they do not earn. This is called an unearned entitle ment. They feel they are entitled to it they are getting it but they did not earn it. No matter what you say, you can’t change the facts.

      • .
        Legally, people cannot be prohibited from expecting and receiving money from our self-governance that they do not earn.

        Just as I do not pay for the benefits of the roadway I use, though I may contribute some, but I may not.

        You are just swallowing racist talking points trying to inferiorize black people.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        I have no doubt that you are a supporter of unearned entitlements in this nation. Bloodsuckers tend to be attracted to Democratic Party.

      • .
        Considering that there is no legal definition of unearned entitlement, and considering that it’s a conservative fallacious invention and talking point, there is no way for any intelligent person to believe in it.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        We all use the common roads and we pay for them with our taxes Peter. Not a good example and it has nothing to do with racism. You idiots pull out the racist card at least a dozen times a day. It’s bankrupt and so are you.

      • .
        As I wrote, I do not necessarily pay for anything I receive as benefits from our collective self-governance.

        But thanks for recognizing against conservative talking points that skin color has nothing to do with receiving benefits from our government without paying for them.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Well unfortunately Petey, blacks in this country are over represented in receiving unearned entitlements. But then of course you know that.

      • LILIBETH

        GOOD READ….A Nation of Takers: America’s Entitlement Epidemic, one of our country’s foremost demographers, Nicholas Eberstadt, details the exponential growth in entitlement spending over the past fifty years. As he notes, in 1960, entitlement payments accounted for well under a third of the federal government’s total outlays. Today, entitlement spending accounts for a full two-thirds of the federal budget. Drawing on an impressive array of data and employing a range of easy- to- read, four color charts, Eberstadt shows the unchecked spiral of spending on a range of entitlements, everything from medicare to disability payments. But Eberstadt does not just chart the astonishing growth of entitlement spending, he also details the enormous economic and cultural costs of this epidemic. He powerfully argues that while this spending certainly drains our federal coffers, it also has a very real,long-lasting, negative impact on the character of our citizens.

      • .
        A book-flap summary does not address the need to bring a QUOTE into the discussion defining “unearned entitlements”.

        Let me know when you have actually read your proffered tomb and found a definition that author identifies as an “unearned entitlement”, then we can discuss, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        Obviously, there is no legal definition of such a thing.

        So, “unearned entitlement” remains Konservative Kult Kool-aid jargon, unique amongst themselves, having no real and applicable meaning outside their Konsrevative Kult Kool-aid stink tanks, where they are tired of giving support to little black children to feed, house, and educate them, and tired of their black mothers who take care of them, and unwilling to subsidize abortion for mothers who already have children and do not want nor feel they can care for more, and do not want to subsidize child care, and do not want to subsidize remedial education and employment.

        Endless.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Educate yourself Peter. The fact that people are getting entitlements that they are not earning but that they are getting It’s called an unearned entitlement The book explains it. It tells everyone about it that wants to be educated about it. The book can’t change the definition and neither can you. People are getting money that they feel they are entitled to because they want it or need it but they don’t work to earn it. Not gonna change because you don’t like the definition Peter

      • .
        It’s an extra-legal definition of an invented talking-point Konservative Kult Koncept, having nothing to do with Constitutional recognition, support, and protection for born residents.

        Just how much of our Constitution do you want to shred?
        .

      • LILIBETH

        It is a reality Peter deal with it

      • LILIBETH

        Unearned Entitlement. According to Allan G. Johnson’s Privilege, Power, and Difference, unearned entitlements are “things of value that all people should have, such as feeling safe in public spaces or working in a place where they feel they belong and are valued for what they can contribute.” (Feb 13, 2011

      • .
        … individual “takers” like children, caretakers, handicapped, wounded warriors …

        versus

        Exxon, Halliburton, Walt Disney, Marriott International ( you know, globalism, those “takers” are more important than meals for poor children trying to learn in school ), Lockheed Martin, Continental Tire, Shang Dong Sun Paper Industry ( hey, let’s give it away for non-US “takers” ), Novo Dordisk, even Under Armour’s Sagamore Development

        You can answer your own question, LILIBETH.

        Do YOU as an individual, or any of those unable to care for themselves in any way and need partial or full subsidies, able to receive the following benefits?

        10 Big Corporate Tax Breaks, and Who Benefits
        The Wrote Off 628.6 Billion Dollars
        In corporate Tax Loopholes

        [ http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2011/02/09/10-Big-Corporate-Tax-Breaks ]

        Mote at a web search for:

        [ largest corporations receiving tax breaks ]
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Many people are unable to support themselves Peter these are the people we need to help. Unfortunately most people who are receiving unearned entitlements. Money that they are not earning in this country where they are able to work. You are in denial Peter. The rest of us are taxed to death so that people that don’t want to work don’t have to.

      • .
        Wow, typing from the grave, are you?

        That’ll teach those freeloaders!
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Not to worry Peter the Democratic party loves freeloaders

      • LILIBETH

        Takers are Able bodied people who will not work. Why should they when they can get freebies without working.

      • .
        “… ? …”

        Name one, then we can discuss.

        Otherwise, you are wasting away …
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Lol….. Entitlement Nation Peter. Millions upon Millions upon millions of people who are able-bodied and able to work but are not. All over this country food stamps go for $0.50 on the dollar. Get a life you’re in denial big time.

      • .
        So … at the most, you’re suggesting that hungry, underpaid or unemployed people can eat something under the credo, promise, and contract of Constitutional recognition, support, and protection …

        … while unborn inhuman non-citizen corporations ( the true “illegals” ? ) illegally suck our hard earned hard wrought resources dry.

        You are a talking-points dart board for the Konservative Kult Kool-aid, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, and you are leaking their propaganda through a thousand holes.
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      • LILIBETH

        I don’t need to suggest anything Pete. I see it every day. My son screamed “I’m paying for that” when he saw a bunch of guys living with women in Section 8 housing. He saw it first-hand. He knew the people living there. He understood exactly what they were doing and the benefits that they were getting. You are out of touch. Many of us live out here in the real world and we see this stuff day in and day out. You’re a joke Peter

      • .
        Wow, “… a bunch of guys …”.

        Ignore the blood sucking corporations behind the green curtain taking billions out of our resources for their corporate leaders and international ( globalist ) benefit …

        … there are “… a bunch of guys …” that you can be prejudiced, presumptuous, ignorant, fearful, and hateful about.

        Pretty much racist, too.
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      • LILIBETH

        I haven’t ignored anything Peter if you think that these corporations are sucking blood call him on it.

      • .
        Your presumptions of me are silly, inaccurate, inappropriate, and a waste of time.

        Your eyes tell you nothing.

        Try spending time with them.
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      • LILIBETH

        LOL…!

      • LILIBETH

        The sky is not falling Petey. You may come out from under your rock.

      • LILIBETH

        My eyes and hears tell me a lot Petey. No, I will not be told by you or anyone else not to believe what I see and hear but what you tell me you want me to believe. Not going to happen. Crawl back under your rock Petey.

      • LILIBETH

        You yourself ate silly, inaccurate, inappropriate and a waste of time. It is all so entertaining. Libs/dims are fun to listen to and to watch. Babble on….

      • .
        ( a ) I have no opinions, only referenced facts and testimony.

        ( b ) You contradict yourself when you write something is a waste, yet has value as entertainment.

        (c) “Libs/dims” expresses collective prejudice, revealing only your lack of the morals that you claim are your exclusive domain.
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      • LILIBETH

        Petey back from the dead and still spouting nonsense. The problem is you believe that your own opinions and those whose opinions agree with you are facts. Too bad….

      • .
        Name one and let’s discuss.

        Swing empty handed and empty headed, sweet chariot.
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      • LILIBETH

        Abortion kills babies 100% of the time Peter. You either are for it or against it.

      • LILIBETH

        I LOVE TRUCKS…..By Ian Simpson

        WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Many independent U.S. truckers are pushing President Donald Trump to back his anti-regulatory rhetoric by delaying an Obama-era rule requiring electronic monitors in trucks, a measure some drivers fear could put them out of business due to extra costs.

        The U.S. Department of Transportation and supporters of the rule, set to take effect on Dec. 18, say it will save lives and make the nearly $700 billion trucking industry more efficient. Opponents contend the technology is unreliable and the $1.8 billion price tag is excessive.

        Small operators – many of them Trump backers – view the Republican president’s response to requests for a delay as a test of his avowed support for small business.

        “One of the things we voted for, I voted for, was a change in the attitude in D.C.,” said Dick Pingel, a 64-year-old Trump supporter and independent trucker from Plover, Wisconsin. “I guess if he doesn’t do anything about it, government’s not listening to the small guy again.”

      • LILIBETH

        You have only the opinions of yourself and others who think like you and you call them facts. That is your right.

      • .
        My posts reference external facts and testimony.
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      • LILIBETH

        Your posts reference your opinion and the opinion of those who think like you.

      • LILIBETH

        Here are some HARD facts from REUTERS not opinions:

        Reuters) – Ukrainian state-run energy company Centrenergo said on Monday it had struck a deal with U.S. trader Xcoal to import 700,00 tonnes of thermal coal this year – the first time Ukraine has imported the commodity from the United States.

        The contract is a result of an agreement between Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko and U.S. President Donald Trump, who has promised a “golden era” of U.S. energy business by boosting exports.

      • LILIBETH

        External Facts not opinions….The number of black food-stamp participants exploded across that time frame from 7,393,000 to 11,699,000, the U.S. Department of Agriculture reports — up 58.2 percent. Also, from Obama’s oath of office through the fourth quarter of 2015, the percentage of black Americans who own homes foundered from 46.1 percent to 41.9 percent, according to the Census — down 9.1 percent. (For a closer look at these figures, please click here.)

      • .
        Wow, such meaninglessness, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        You do not quality any of your numbers with values, such as ( a ) was 7,393,000 inappropriately low, ( b ) was 11,699,000 still too low, ( c ) what was the per-capita value at either number versus, say, the poverty level?

        You fail to quantify the loss of home ownership … unregulated wall street banks eating up more wealth, kicking people out of homes they had put their wealth into, just so those banks could rent or resell the depreciating properties?

        Tom Price, Republican from Georgia, is hardly a a factual reference, just another opinion farter, being in T-Rump‘s pocket, while stuffing his own pockets until he was caught, and resigned as head of HHS following discovery of his use of private charters and military aircraft for travel, essentially a lying thief, just like his boss.

        As the opening article says, T-Rump beliebers like yourself, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, have no rational awareness of reality, only fervent belief in the magical thinking of T-Rump‘s World Wrestling Entertainment fakery, the reason T-Rump is in the World Wrestling Entertainment Hall of Fame.

        And YOU voted for him.
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      • LILIBETH

        I absolutely voted for Trump and America. Sorry sweetie….the numbers quoted officially verify themselves and you cannot do anything about it.

      • .
        No, they do not, you have not read and answered my questions about the appropriateness of the services provided, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        You’re like a company that fires it’s customer service staff, then brags that complaints are down ( because there’s no one left to complain to ).
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      • LILIBETH

        I like a President that gets our economy moving. gets people back to work and gets people off the government Plantation. It makes you angry but there’s nothing you can do about it. President Trump is good for business and he is good for our economy . You just can’t stand the fact that black people might be able to stand on their own off of the government Plantation can you ? GO TRUMP

      • LILIBETH

        I am rejoicing over the fact that the American people are able to get off of the government Plantation and stand on their own. Businesses are becoming unshackled by over regulation and are able to hire more people. Time to make America great again Peter. We have a long way to go but we have a good start. .

      • .
        And you can’t name ONE, as always, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.
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      • LILIBETH

        Bragging about people and businesses being NOT FORGOTTEN! You just can’t stand the fact that President Trump is trying to help our nation and our people can you? You want dependent people that could be controlled andgovernment dependent. #MAGA

      • .
        Gosh, you never can quote as you try to pin the most asinine assumptions on me, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        And your as unconstitutional and anti-Americans as ever.
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      • LILIBETH

        You do a good job of being asinine without any help.

      • .
        You still can’t quote me to backup up you claim.

        Scrape low, sweet chariot.
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      • LILIBETH

        Haha….Second estimate of US Q3 GDP up 3.3%, vs 3.2% expected.You should be happy for the country Peter instead you’re angry that President Trump is helping to MAGA!!!

      • LILIBETH

        And….the ECONOMY IS MAGICALLY COMING TO LIFE and more people are working and more people are LIVING BETTER. And…you are angry about it….loving it!!!

        Government stats Petey….look them up!

      • .
        But not more more people, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, as I wrote — you suck at maths.

        And the “work” ain’t what it used to be, the low pay and diminished benefits and random hours and inability to pay life’s expenses are nowhere in your “big numbers” claim.

        And more people are disenfranchised, and T-Rump and his Nazi minions are trying to disenfranchise more people with Kris Kobach’s secretive anti-voting commission.

        God forbid anyone would have a commission to see why people don’t vote, and get them to.
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      • LILIBETH

        My dear Peter the economy is picking up unemployment is falling, more and better jobs are available and people are getting back to work. It’s just killing you that President Trump is actually helping people isn’t it?

        Now maybe black people can get off of a democratic Plantation and stand on their own.

      • .
        I’ll never understand why you think the Republican plantation is the place for black folks, when they OWN the Democratic party, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.
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      • LILIBETH

        Well Petey unfortunately Johnson set the trap. It’s just like he said I’ll have those n****** voting democratic for the next 200 – voila… GOVERNMENT DEPENDENCY.

        Time to make America great again Peter time to put the nation back to work.

      • .
        You still fighting dead people?

        You don’t even know the context of your quote … from the President who put Thurgood Marshal in the Supreme Court.

        Thurgood Marshal never worked on anyone’s “plantation”.

        Clarence Thomas sure does — the white Republican “plantation”.

        Swing deep in the graveyard, sweet chariot.
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      • LILIBETH

        LBJ…And he reportedly said upon appointing African-American judge Thurgood Marshall to the Supreme Court, “Son, when I appoint a nigger to the court, I want everyone to know he’s a nigger.”

      • LILIBETH

        True – Petey – YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND! Rinos and dims are definitely in league. Unfortunately dims have purchased the DEPENDENT BLACK VOTE in America. Dims create and sustain poverty. Bummer….. 73% of all black children are born to women who have never been married. GOVERNMENT DEPENDENCY….

        When individuals are empowered with job opportunities and with the freedom to choose quality schools for their children, and when they can act without having one hand tied behind their back by government policies that make it difficult, if not nearly impossible, to leave the government-induced cycle of poverty, prosperity flourishes and self-sufficiency reigns. Logan Pike

      • .
        Wow, not even your own baseless opinion, but someone else’s, meaningless, unqualified, unquantified.

        Swing low, sweet chariot.
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      • LILIBETH

        Sure hope this puts some families back on their feet!

        The media has largely ignored a significant $83.7 billion “economic game changer” President Donald Trump helped broker with China during his 12-day trip to Asia that’s poised to create numerous petrochemical projects in West Virginia over the next 20 years, Salena Zito said in a New York Post opinion piece Saturday.

        President Donald Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping witnessed the signing of the Memorandum of Understanding on Thursday between West Virginia Secretary of Commerce H. Wood Thrasher and a representative of China Energy. The investment is part of several Chinese investments totaling $250 billion the president has helped negotiate.

      • LILIBETH

        Unemployment is down Peter that means that people are working. People actually working and caring for themselves. This must really kill you.

      • .
        You have no evidence nor testimony that people are caring for themselves, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, especially when you cannot identify the value of the so-called work, and when those you voted for demand that affordable health care insurance be taken away from these people.

        I appreciate your anti-Christian, un-American, un-Constitutional ‘conservatism, ignorant of everything that you claim you value., @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.
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      • LILIBETH

        Working people taking care of themselves are a testimony in itself Petey. Something that you and Hillary are unable to comprehend. Jobs, jobs, jobs. It’s the economy stupid, that’s what it’s all about.

      • .
        2 to 3 part time jobs per person, 3 people to a rental bedroom, no wealth building, no debt paydown, no savings, no medical insurance …

        … of course there are jobs, jobs, jobs — that’s ONE person holding those 3 jobs just to pay their share of a common-room’s rent.

        Swing head on into a tree, sweet chariot.
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      • LILIBETH

        Haha…eat your heart out Petey. NEW YORK TIMES…ECONOMY
        SHARE
        The Markets Are Up,
        Unemployment Is Down!!

      • LILIBETH

        Government accountants much suck at math too. They are the ones that gave us the numbers. Sorry for you Peter but the country is recovering.

      • .
        People need to ‘recover’, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, not “the country”.

        Read the credo and promise of our Declaration of Independence , and the contract of our Constitution, Amendments, and case law.

        Any ‘country’ that leaves one of it’s people behind is a failure.
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      • LILIBETH

        The people are recovering Peter that is how tthe economy is moving forward much to your chagrin.I know you hate the fact that people are moving off of government plantations and going back to work but those are the facts.

      • LILIBETH

        MAGA…..GO TRUMP

        President Donald Trump has repeatedly railed about the loss of American manufacturing jobs. Yet, a surge in manufacturing employment is one of the bright spots in the economy right now — and it has helped boost Trump’s grade on Yahoo Finance’s exclusive Trumponomics Report Card.

        We now give the Trump economy a grade of A-, two notches higher than when we launched the report card in May. Since we issued our first grade — a B — the economy has improved in three significant ways: manufacturing employment has risen, exports have gotten stronger and the stock market has continued its upward ascent.

        Our Trumponomics Report Card, calculated with data provided by Moody’s Analytics, grades the Trump economy by comparing it with the economy under six prior presidents, going back to Jimmy Carter, at the same point in their first term.

      • .
        Again, meaningless, unreferenced numbers, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        So, who’s benefiting from all that glory when T-Rump is disenfranchising as many US residents and citizens as he can?

        You are like a distractable dog, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        I try to get you to focus on any subject to make it meaningful, to hang in there to do the research and put things in perspective, to weight the downsides you seem to ignore.

        And all you can say is, “… oh, look, a squirrel! …”
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      • LILIBETH

        Good jobs, a good economy, people being able to work for a living. This is killing you isn’t it Peter ? Black

      • .
        And still you cannot name ONE and bring them into this dialog, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.
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      • LILIBETH

        Lol….So far we have slightly less than 1000 of these over regulations overturned. Now we just have 6000 more to go. Have a nice day Petey!

      • .
        Not a single one to discuss.

        Typical conservative ignorance and irresponsibility.

        Swing without any wheels, sweet chariot.
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      • LILIBETH

        Petey the economy is moving on up without you! KEEP KILLING THOSE REGULATIONS President Trump.

        Mulvaney is going to help even further. I sure do hope that he kills that stupid Dodd-Frank agency. It has been used as nothing but a piggy bank for liberal organizations. It has come under no one’s oversight. Time for these fat bureaucratic agencies to die.

      • LILIBETH

        The government references its own numbers Peter. If you don’t like it give them a call.

      • .
        There’s nothing to like or dislike, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, since your posts contents are meaningless, as I clearly identified in my prior point.

        It’s YOUR responsibility to make YOUR point, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, not the government’s responsibility, not my responsibility.

        Why is it that conservatives can’t take responsibility for themselves?

        I fully appreciate that you cannot make meaning from superficial statistics.

        No one can.

        The fact that T-Rump wither depends on people not understanding, or can’t make meaning of them himself, is the problem that you seem unable to understand.
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      • LILIBETH

        Great Petey if my posts are so meaningless you shouldn’t mind me posting all of these good facts for people. Have a nice day

      • LILIBETH

        Too funny GOVERNMENT DOCUMENTION is meaningless to you because you hate PRESIDENT TRUMP. You lost the election Petey…get over it ! Time to move forward .

      • .
        No, I said your spouting unreferenced numbers with no values attached, without quantifying them, are meaningless, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        Try actually reading my post and answering my questions.
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      • LILIBETH

        The government itself is referencing the numbers Peter you don’t like it take it up with your government.

      • .
        Why do conservatives never take responsibility for backing up their own claims?
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      • LILIBETH

        Nice try Petey but you know that we conservatives are the only ones who are responsible. Just think Petey the government has already backed us up with information that you refuse to accept.

      • .
        YOU have not defined “job”, so “number of jobs” is meaningless.

        Now if you had some statistics on appropriateness of work and income and benefits and career progress for the person and their location and their education and their job history, then your “jobs, jobs, jobs” blabber blabber blabber would have some context.

        Ain’t got no context?

        The you ain’t got nothin’ to say.

        Swing upside down with your head in the sand, sweet chariot.
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      • LILIBETH

        Lol… employment at its lowest in 17 years Petey. Nothing you can do about it except complained. Time is ripe for people get off that stupid democratic Plantation that is holding them down.

      • LILIBETH

        Our own government has already backed up THEIR claims….

      • LILIBETH

        Libs/dims Is quite accurate. You should be quite proud of the fact that President Trump is putting your fellow countrymen back to work. More are now able to feed their families without food stamps.

        Reuters) – Ukrainian state-run energy company Centrenergo said on Monday it had struck a deal with U.S. trader Xcoal to import 700,00 tonnes of thermal coal this year – the first time Ukraine has imported the commodity from the United States.

        The contract is a result of an agreement between Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko and U.S. President Donald Trump, who has promised a “golden era” of U.S. energy business by boosting exports.

      • LILIBETH

        You see racism under every Rock Peter….. that’s not a surprise to me. Cries of white supremacists help to keep blacks dependent and on the Democratic Plantation

      • .
        I cannot even imagine a twisted logic that would make your statement functional.

        Let’s play it back for you this way:

        You see baby murder under every rock, cries of baby murder help keep blacks dependent and push them to the Republican Plantation.
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        So, you’ve bought into some propaganda of “blacks are dependent” talking points, eh?

        And it’s all tumbling downhill from there, not a thought in your head.

        I guess you believe it.

        So, who’s YOUR master?
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      • LILIBETH

        Keep blacks on the Democratic plantation……President Johnson….

      • LILIBETH

        I see almost 2,000 black babies a day being murdered in this country. I see over 55 million babies have died since Roe versus Wade. Anyway you look at it Petey that’s a lot of Innocents being murdered.

        Over 70% of black children are born to women who never been married. The government takes care of and provides for most of these people. They are perpetuating the very system that is destroying black families. No foundation and nothing to build on. The destruction and dependency of blacks in this country is a government creation. As a child I read the autobiography of Malcolm X. In his book he describes the government destroying his family. This tactic is now being replicated on a grand scale. Before Johnson’s Great Society black families were mostly intact. Now black women and children look to the government/ Democratic Plantation to take care of them.

        So you see Petey a self serving old white man trying to convince me that I need to be dependent upon the government and the very party that is trying to enslave and destroy blacks isn’t going to work. I know what I’m seeing and hearing.

      • .
        And you apparently are claiming that the government incarcerating black men is black welfare, too.

        And somehow you fail to see the John Tanton plan to repopulate whites and eliminate non-whites from potential majority in the US.

        Yet you open your mouth, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, and out jumps John Tanton incarnate.
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      • LILIBETH

        Your ability to understand plain English is being challenged today Petey….Stop supporting 10 murder of innocent black babies.

      • .
        I do not support the murder of anyone.

        But John Tanton and his white racist white nationalist followers, many in the T-Rump administration, are making sure that black women have less and less success bring their pregnancies to term, a shocking challenge worse than some third world countries, where the pregnant woman dies, her potential baby dies, and her prior children are left without their mother, in a society where half of all children already live in single parent families.

        “Plantation”?

        It’s a Republican GRAVEYARD.

        Swing for your last breath, sweet chariot.
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      • LILIBETH

        Good then we can count on you to protest the murder of 2000 innocent black babies every day in this country. Abortion kills 100%. Since Roe versus Wade over 17 million black babies have died. I can see you’re crying for them ….

      • LILIBETH

        Face it dim lib Peter. We are in entitlement nation that thrives on unearned entitlements. Many able-bodied people are not working but are receiving freebies. Total waste.

      • .
        Please cite anything in our founding and definitive documents that support your desire to bring your “throw them overboard, let ’em die” psychopathy to the US.
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      • LILIBETH

        Sorry Peter your babbling makes no sense since I never said any such thing.

      • .
        Then help me understand what alternative you propose.
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      • LILIBETH

        Men can oppose ABORTION just like women can. Men can demand an end to funding for abortion clinics just like women can. Men can work for adoption instead of abortion just like women can. Men can be sterilized and use birth control just like women can. Men and women can both call for the cesssation of killing babies in the womb.

        Men and women are responsible for the death of unborn children in the USA.

      • .
        Uh huh.

        Men and women can do all sorts of things …

        … with their Constitutionally recognized, supported, and protected inborn unalienable equal individual rights to their own life, to their own liberty, and to their own pursuit of their own happiness.

        Yer point?

        I especially enjoy the moral turpitude of

        “… abortion is murder … so … I won’t pay for it with my taxes …” …

        … when you do pay for the murder and terrorization of your fellow born black citizens with your taxes, apparently without objection, as exhibited in your comments in this thread.

        You’re a hoot, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, an evil, hypocritical hoot.
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      • LILIBETH

        More domestic violence Peter it just never stops in the black community.Police said the son of York Mayor Kim Bracey attacked her at her campaign office on Sept. 30, the York Daily Record reported.

        The reports quoted police as saying Brandon Anderson, 30, of York, was charged with punching his mother in the face, knocking her to the ground, and then stomping on her back, head and face while she was down.

        “Like thousands of families, our family is confronting the fact that my adult son is battling an opioid addiction,” Bracey said. “No family is immune from this epidemic — which is why we must do everything in our power to solve it.”

      • .
        So … lemme see if I can figure out your comment … you’re saying that the US government is on drugs, and that’s why they use lethal force against innocent Black citizens, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus ?
        __________

        Although there is an element of infrequent but definite possibility there, I have to ask again:

        Why are conservatives so analogy-challenged?
        __________

        And why are YOU unable to actually READ, and RESPOND to the actual, SPECIFIC content of the posts you feign you are replying to?
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      • LILIBETH

        You are a joke Peter. Black people in this country do not need to be on the democratic Plantation to survive. Black people in this nation are not children, they are adults and are able to stand on their own 2 feet and are able care of themselves. I know you have a vested interest in keeping black children and adults on the dull but eventually

      • LILIBETH

        Your analogy of what I say is a joke Peter. You know that in fact the lib/dem propaganda is a joke. This is why you have lost over 1040 elected seats across the nation since 2007. You keep trying the same tactics and they don’t work. Unfortunately you are not smart enough to know that you need to stop. Keep it up Peter it keeps the republicans in power.

      • LILIBETH

        Peter you and the Democratic Party can’t figure out this nation and couldn’t if your lives depended on it. Fortunately they do not because the rest of us have taken control. Have a nice day

      • LILIBETH

        As we all know Peter many such incidences have happened since the beginning of time to people of the same race and different races in your point is what ? I’m fairness prejudice mean spiritedness exist ?Nothing new dear Peter. Stop the hysteria .

      • .
        Yeah, we all know the US government treats black people as disposable, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        Nothing new here.

        Stop trying to do anything about it.

        Especially as white supremacists fill the highest power executive branch of US government.

        Nothing to see here folks.

        Just a bunch of black people being used as target practice by US government.

        Nothing new.

        Move along.

        And YOU voted for it.
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      • LILIBETH

        Well my dear Peter we certainly know that abortionists treat black babies as disposable garbage. We also know that illegals in our country hurt blacks economically the most. BUILD THAT WALL PRESIDENT TRUMP.

      • .
        You mean, black men have been taught by white men to treat black women as disposable garbage, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus?

        Is that what you are trying to say without saying?
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      • LILIBETH

        Abortion Peter- it kills our babies. 2000 black babies a day die in this country. We live in a nation that supports baby killers.

      • .
        “… Abortion … it kills our babies …” …

        … is irresponsible passive-speak, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus,

        … as if you believe that some external hobgoblin named “Abortion” crept around behind people’s backs and killed unattended babies without anyone’s awareness or volition,

        you better be watch out!

        ( a ) You have an extra-legal definition of “babies” if you think that unborn zygore / fetus are “babies”.

        ( b ) You ignore the unprohibitable choice that pregnant women expresses within the jurisdiction of their own interior bodies.
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        Inarticulately, you sort of keep saying that you do not like the choices other people make.

        Constitutionally, I keep saying that it’s none of your business nor any of our government’s business.

        And there we stand.

        Wash, rinse, repeat.
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      • LILIBETH

        Killing a helpless baby in the womb is certainly weak Peter.

      • .
        Do you have no idea what thread you are on, ever, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus?
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      • .
        That you accept a concept of a “black economy” reveals your acceptance and support of racist white supremacist white nationalist Konservative Kult Kool-aid apartheid in the US, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.
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      • LILIBETH

        I accept reality Peter -something you don’t. I understand black economic conditions in this country. Something you don’t understand. I also understand how illegals in this country undermine blacks. Something you won’t even acknowlege.

      • .
        Given the racist white supremacist white nationalist assault on black people and people of color and “other”-appearing people such as Muslims, Jews, Native Americans, and so on, throughout US history, you have a long way to go to identify anyone undermining black people and people of color and “other”-appearing people such as Muslims, Jews, Native Americans, and so on, EXCEPT racist white supremacist white nationalists, especially the racist white supremacist white nationalists in authoritative power in the White House under T-Rump and his racist white supremacist white nationalist administration.

        That you accept a concept of immigrants who have incomplete federal paperwork as undermining black people reveals your acceptance and support of racist white supremacist white nationalist Konservative Kult Kool-aid berzerker finger-pointing propaganda and apartheid in the US, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.
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      • LILIBETH

        Lol…. Prejudices of all kinds have existed since the beginning of the human race Peter. These same prejudices will end when we all die. Your identity politics don’t work on me. Take your “the sky is falling, boogeyman white supremacists” propaganda elsewhere.

        It is way past time for black people to get off of the democratic Plantation and start standing on their own. We are not children Pete.

      • .
        You are overflowing with the Konservative Kult Kool-aid if you think that black people ever stood anywhere BUT on their own, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus .

        And were certainly never included at any time by the current racist white supremacist white nationalist party and administration under T-Rump and his cadre of John Tandon beliebers.

        Why anyone believe that the Democratic party and black people’s self-determination were ever intertwined or interdependent is pure Konservative Kult Kool-aid, and no one but racist white supremacist nationalist Republicans have ever proffered such insane berserker propaganda.

        You are out of your mind to be reciting such nonsense and goo.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Blacks are hurt most by illegals in our country Peter. This is a reality that you cannot deny.

      • .
        That you accept a concept of a black people, and immigrants who have incomplete federal paperwork, as separate reveals your acceptance and support of racist white supremacist white nationalist Konservative Kult Kool-aid apartheid in the US, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus .
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      • LILIBETH

        ILLEGALS ARE ILLEGALS PETER IF THEY HAVE A CASE TO MAKE LET THEM MAKE IT.

      • .
        Aside from yelling ( because … ? ), do you have a point, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus … ever?

        Or are you yelling because you do not have a point?
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Illegals are illegals Peter.

      • .
        There is no such thing, @lil, yo uhave an extra-legal definition of people as “illegals” — there ain’t no.
        .

      • .
        Considering that the majority of immigrant residents in the US, who are without current federal documentation, arrived legally, a wall has no meaning because we are obliged by law to let them in in the first place, regardless of an expensive and meaningless wall …

        … a proposed wall covering a tiny percentage of our land border, covering none of our ocean and river border, and covering none of our international “airport” border.

        Aren’t you bloated from drinking all that Konservative Kult Kool-aid by now, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus?

        Maybe I can help drain your Konservative Kult Kool-aid swamp water.

        Think of taxpayers, like you and me, paying for a wall, as an “unearned entitlement” for “illegals” — why would we spend more than they are economically worth, so to speak, why not spend way less and just send them way less money-per-person as a contract incentive to stay away?

        After all, with NAFTA, we put them out of jobs, where before, they could farm for a living, but NAFTA let in cheap US overproduced factory-farm produce, so where else are they going to go, but to the US to work on those factory-farms that put them out of a job anyway?

        Do you have any sense of the US global impact on the US’s own conditions that you complain about, in total ignorance, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus?
        .

      • LILIBETH

        We have A-war on our Southern border Peter. Your ignorance is no surprise. Yes we also have a problem of people legally coming into our country and then becoming illegals by not following our immigration laws. And your concern is what?

      • .
        My concern is ignorance of the 14th Amendment providing equal protection under law for all residents within our states, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        My concerns are Constitutional, as always.

        I don’t pick and choose by any other standard or lack of standards.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        We have a war literally a war on our Southern border Peter you’re willfully ignorant.

      • .
        Name one specific legal identification of a war on the US southern border, then we can discuss, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Thankfully for black people I voted for President truTrump. Now maybe we can provide jobs for black people instead of for illegals. More Blacks Americans can have a greater chance of getting off the democratic plantation. Then slavery can truly end. You dems libs will have to buy your votes elsewhere.

      • .
        You can talk about the truth when you find it, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        So far, your postulations are evidence-free, in fact, you deny and ignore evidence.

        What do you think is going to happen?

        That black people will be “given” prison guard jobs in for-profit private prisons housing “illegals”.

        Ahh, utopia, according to @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus … and John Tanton and T-Rump and the John Tanton followers in his administration.

        More Konservative Kult Kool-aid, anyone?

        Special Nɑzi white supremacist white nationalist flavor this century, mmm, yum — recommended by @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        Addictive, too!
        .

      • LILIBETH

        The fact that your opinion is believed by you is your problem Peter – not mine!

        The sky is not falling Peter. Your white bogeyman is just that – your white bogeyman. The one that lives in your head rent free.

      • .
        Oy, you are evidence free.

        At least I support my offering with references throughout this thread.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Offering opinions of other people that think like you doesn’t make it true Peter. Grow up

      • .
        You can’t quote me on that.

        You are spinning dizzy.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Lol….

      • .
        Aiyana Stanley-Jones

        Died May 16, 2010, age 7, Detroit

        Aiyana Stanley-Jones was sleeping on her couch with her grandmother when police conducted a “no knock” raid of their home.

        Officer Joseph Weekley was first through the door and after a flash-bang grenade went off, he fired his gun, killing Aiyana.

        Officer Weekley testified the grandmother struck his weapon and caused him to fire, but she denies being near the gun.

        Police said the raid was in search of a murder suspect who lived in the second floor unit of the home.

        Officer Weekley was charged with involuntary manslaughter and a misdemeanor charge, but the case was dismissed after two mistrials.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        This is what CONCERNS me Peter. The fact that you are unconcerned is no surprise to me.

        Data shows that 93 percent of black homicide victims are killed by other blacks.

      • .
        So … lemme see if I can figure out your comment … you’re saying that 93% of Black homicide victims are killed by Blacks in the US government, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus ?
        __________

        Why are conservatives so analogy-challenged?
        .

      • LILIBETH

        93% of black people are killed by other black people Peter. We as black people already know this because we see it in our communities every day. Do you really think that we are stupid?

      • LILIBETH

        As long as you can keep blacks focused on the small amount of black white killings you can get them to ignore the real problem which is black on black killings and crime. Fortunately this is not working anymore Peter. But you keep trying because you don’t know anything else.

      • .
        Tarika Wilson

        Died Jan. 4, 2008, age 26, Lima, Ohio

        Tarika Wilson was killed when a Lima Police SWAT team raided her rental home to arrest her boyfriend on drug charges, according to The New York Times.

        She had her youngest son, Sincere, in her arms when she was shot by Sgt. Joseph Chavalia.

        Sincere, who was 14 months old, was shot in the shoulder and hand but survived.

        Officer Chavalia was acquitted of the misdemeanor charges of negligent homicide and negligent assault.

        He testified that he felt his life was in danger when he shot Tarika Wilson, thinking he saw a shadow and heard gunshots nearby, when they actually came from officers downstairs, according to the Associated Press.

        The city settled a wrongful death suit with Wilson’s family for $2.5 million in 2011.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        All the way back to 2008 well thousands of black people have killed each other since then and you’ve spoken out and said nothing. Typically hypocritical of you Peter

      • .
        Do you want to edit that one, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus?

        Carefully?

        Then delete it, because, again, you are analogy-challenged.
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      • .
        Kathryn Johnston

        Died Nov. 21, 2006, age 92, Atlanta

        Kathryn Johnston was 92 when she was killed in a botched “no knock” drug raid by Atlanta police that was revealed to be based on false information.

        Officers broke down her security gate and without warning entered her home.

        As the door opened, Johnston fired the pistol she kept for self-defense, hitting no one.

        Officers fired back 39 times.

        Five or six bullets hit Johnston, and several others hit fellow police.

        Officers later admitted to falsely claiming cocaine submitted into evidence had come from a drug deal at her house, and to planting marijuana at her house after the raid.

        Officers Jason Smith, Greg Junnier and Arthur Tesler pleaded guilty to charges related to her death and the subsequent coverup.

        All three received prison time.

        The city of Atlanta agreed to pay Johnston’s family $4.8 million as part of a settlement.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Let’s put it into perspective Peter.Last year, according to the Washington Post’s tally, just 16 unarmed black men, out of a population of more than 20 million, were killed by the police. The year before, the number was 36. These figures are likely close to the number of black men struck by lightning in a given year, considering that happens to about 300 Americans annually and black men are 7 percent of the population. And they include cases where the shooting was justified, even if the person killed was unarmed.

      • .
        So … lemme see if I can figure out your comment … you’re saying that the US government has control over lightning strikes, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus?
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        Why are conservatives so analogy-challenged?
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Libs dems get more stupid every day. They don’t know how to win elections, they don’t know how to win over the nation. They keep trying the same tactics and they keep losing. How stupid can you get?

        Why is it that you dims never learn? The nation is tired of your lies.

      • .
        Alberta Spruill

        Died May 16, 2003, age 57, New York City

        Alberta Spruill also died after police conducted a “no knock” raid at her home in error.

        Officers broke through her door and threw a concussion grenade while Spruill, a city employee, was getting ready for work.

        She was briefly handcuffed but released when officers realized they were in the wrong place and that the information they were given — that guns and drugs were being stored in the apartment — was incorrect.

        Spruill died of a heart attack at a nearby hospital less than two hours later.

        The city of New York agreed to pay a $1.6 million settlement to Spruill’s family.

        “… This case for them is not about money …

        … It’s about changing procedure …” Johnnie Cochran, lawyer for Spruill’s sisters, said in 2003.

        “… It’s about the fact that their sister should not have died in vain …”
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Injustice absolutely is exists in America Peter. BLM and antifa are continuing the tradition.

      • .
        So, according to history-free @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus,
        — as long as Blacks kill each other,
        — then it’s okay for our government and others
        — to use Black citizens as target practice,
        — just because they are Black,
        — not because there is prima facie evidence
        — or probable cause of suspecting
        — that they committed a capital crime
        — and are a lethal threat to anyone.

        “… They had for more than a century before been regarded as beings of an inferior order, and altogether unfit to associate with the white race, either in social or political relations; and so far inferior, that they had no rights which the white man was bound to respect; and that the negro might justly and lawfully be reduced to slavery for his benefit …”

        Dred Scott v. Sanford 1857
        Roger B Taney, Chief Justice, US Supreme Court
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      • LILIBETH

        Actually Peter as long as dim dems see blacks killing each other they are OK with that. No protest whatsoever. No political capital to be gained for the Democratic Party.

      • LILIBETH

        No political capital for libs/dims when blacks kill each other-bummer for you Peter

      • .
        Kendra James

        Died May 5, 2003, age 21, Portland

        Portland Police Officer Scott McCollister fatally shot Kendra James during a traffic stop.

        When McCollister pulled over James and driver Terry Jackson, he took Jackson into custody after seeing he had an outstanding warrant.

        James moved behind the wheel of the car and tried to drive away, and McCollister tried to stop her by clambering partially into the car and pulling her hair and using pepper spray and a Taser.

        James put the car into drive and McCollister shot her, claiming he was stuck in the doorway and feared for his life.

        A grand jury declined to prosecute.

        The officer was initially suspended, but the disciplinary action was overturned by an arbitrator.

        “… It’s been 10 years later, justice has still not served …” James’ mother, Shirley Isadore, said at a 2013 rally marking the anniversary of her daughter’s death.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        My dear Peter there is absolutely Injustice. I certainly hope you will work for justice instead of whining and becoming hysterical over everything.

      • .
        Although that’s completely off topic, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, the coffee shop owner is an idiot on many levels ( why not take ALL their money and donate it to local LGBTQIAS+ homeless children’s centers? ), completely unrepresentative of anyone but hi s own damn angry illogical unreasonable self, and I hope he gets sued into bankruptcy ,or fines and sentenced to pay for “sensitivity training” along with endless community service until proven reformed.

        You voted for T-Rump, who’s administration wants such behavior commonplace and legal.

        If you think that behavior of tossing someone from a public accommodation, denying them goods and services, based on personal politics, religion, morals, is injustice, remember that YOU voted for it.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        The coffee shop owner has plenty of company with HYSTERICALS on the left running wild.

      • .
        Name ONE specific other “left” public accommodation that has denied access to their otherwise publicly available goods and services to anti abortion people, and then we can discuss particulars, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, otherwise, you are speculating out of your αss, proffering warrantless innuendo as if it were truth.

        Thank you.
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      • LILIBETH

        Lol…. trying to pretend that this is the only time it ever happened is nonsense Peter. The laws of probability are against you as you well know.

      • .
        So, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, you can find

        — ONE report of extra-legal discrimination,

        — ONE report of a sign,

        — ONE politician doing a reverse T-Rump,

        … regarding who of their otherwise equal fellow citizens “belongs”.

        Uh-huh.

        So, essentially, statistically, nothing.

        No legislators writing laws to permit discriminating against anti-abortion people.
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        I addressed the particulars of your ONE reference.

        You did not even acknowledge my apparent agreement with you that it was unjust.

        I then I asked you for PARTICULARS of any others so we could discuss.

        I NEVER wrote that it never happened elsewhere.

        I ONLY wrote that there is nothing to discuss in your otherwise conclusory, unsupported generalizations.

        You invented motives for me where there are none, especially considering my response to the coffee shop owner’s unjust behavior,

        … and you somehow STILL have ignored my response.

        Why it that, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus?
        .

      • LILIBETH

        You lefties are losing it my dear hysterical Peter.

      • .
        So, again, NO, you have absolutely nothing specific to discuss, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, absolutely no reason to be here.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Keep dreaming Peter. It isn’t working but it keeps you occupied.

      • LILIBETH

        Lol…… cause we know lefties never do this stuff!

      • .
        Name ONE specific other supposedly “left” public accommodation that has denied access to their otherwise publicly available goods and services to anti abortion people, and then we can discuss particulars, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        Otherwise, you are speculating out of your ɑss, proffering warrantless innuendo as if it were truth.

        … still waiting …
        .

      • LILIBETH

        You are not waiting for anything Peter. You already know the truth as has been shown to you. You just can’t handle it. The IRS and Lois Lerner told you and the nation that dems/libs losers were against conservatives on a nation wide basis. Nothing has changed.

        Fortunately the voters saw this. That is why over 1040 elected seats across the nation since 2007 have been taken away from the democrats. You never learn Peter.

      • LILIBETH

        With all the publicity about black people being killed by police the real crime is the black on black deaths in America but then you know this because you won’t talk about it.

        737 people have been shot and killed by police this year in the United States. Of that number, there were 329 whites, 165 blacks, 112 Hispanics, 24 members of other races, and 107 people whose race was unknown.

      • .
        No, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, all of that supposed self-annihilation of non-whites ( an unreferenced, incomparable, meaningless statistic ) is totally encouraged by T-Rump and his administration full of John Tanton-minions.

        … and you ask “… where am I going to be deported to? I’ve been here longer than whitey …”, as if that matters to T-Rump and John Tanton et alia.

        They haven’t forgotten, they’re just laying in wait:

        “…Draper, who until the 1960s served as both the main benefactor and the most influential figure in the Pioneer Fund, also worked with the United States House Un-American Activities Committee to demonstrate that blacks were genetically inferior and ought to be “repatriated” to Africa …”

        Your skin color alone is a one-way ticket, according to those YOU voted into power now, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.
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        Again, YOU have convinced me that YOU are beyond hope, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        But others here, and Google searchers, may be sparked to research John Tanton.

        Tanton Papers Reveal Truth About Michigan Anti-Immigrant Group

        [ http://ferris-pages.org/ISAR/Tanton/index.htm ]

        John Tanton, perhaps the most important leader in the anti-immigrant movement over the past 20+ years, has deposited his papers at the University of Michigan’s Bentley Historical Library.

        Tanton’s links to the original-Nɑzi-sympathizer Pioneer Fund [ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_Fund ], and his calls for neutralizing Dr Mehler’s ISAR Institute for the Study of Academic Racism [ http://ferris-pages.org/ISAR/ ] are prominently revealed in these papers.

        In a May 1997 letter to Harry Weyher, president of the Pioneer Fund, Tanton outlines how the Pioneer Fund should respond to the “Barry Mehlers of the World”.

        ISAR The Institute for the Study of Academic Racism has gathered together materials related to this story:

        — FAIR Federation for American Immigration Reform Founder’s Racism Revealed
        [ http://ferris-pages.org/ISAR/Tanton/tanton.htm ]
        [ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_for_American_Immigration_Reform ]

        — Tanton to Weyher Letter
        [ http://ferris-pages.org/ISAR/Tanton/Tanton-to-Weyher-letter.pdf ]

        — Pioneer Fund Tactics
        [ http://ferris-pages.org/ISAR/Tanton/connection.pdf ]

        — John Hopkins Professor Defends Pioneer Fund
        [ http://ferris-pages.org/ISAR/Tanton/connection.pdf ]
        — — Original ABC News Transcript
        — — [ http://ferris-pages.org/ISAR/Tanton/abcnews.htm ]

        — Pioneer Fund President Attacks Dr Mehler
        [ http://ferris-pages.org/ISAR/Tanton/Weyher.pdf ]

        — Tanton Papers Finding Aid
        [ http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/f/findaid/findaid-idx?c=bhlead&idno=umich-bhl-861056 ]

        — Tanton Family Tree
        [ http://ferris-pages.org/ISAR/Tanton/Immigration-Hardliner-Family-Tree.pdf ]

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        @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus , I do not expect YOU to seek out and learn ANYTHING beyond your Bibles studies and what you believe is the imperative of stamping out other people’s sin … in spite of our Constitution under which we both live, which prohibits stamping out other people’s sins.

        But your provocation of my contribution here in response to you brings a wealth of resources into this thread, expanding this thread to be an enhanced and worthy resource for Google searchers.

        And I always learn, and re-learn, a lot when confronted by your anesthetized vituperative pain, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus .
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      • LILIBETH

        Lol……supposed?……Aging white population speeding diversity
        BY REID WILSON – 12/02/16

        America’s white population is rapidly aging while young minority groups are growing dramatically — sparking major demographic changes that will speed up the nation’s political divide, The Hill reports.

        The website notes the percentage of the white population in the U.S. has fallen from 79.6 percent in 1980, to 61.9 percent in 2014. Meanwhile, the Latino population has jumped from 6.4 percent to 17.3 percent in the same time frame. While the African American and Asian American populations have continued to grow, as well.
        The Hill, citing a new analysis from the University of New Hampshire, points out the number of non-Hispanic whites who died in 2014 was greater than the white births in 17 states — the largest number of states experiencing a natural decrease in white population in American history.

        America’s ‘white alone’ population decreasing while all other ethnic groups grow – census data
        Published time: 22 Jun, 2017 14:11

        YOU ARE IN DENIAL PETER DEAR!!!!!! Self annihilation of the white race is here.

      • .
        Wow, you CAN do John Tanton‘s research for him, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus — everything you bring here seems to show that you understand the source of racist white supremacist white nationalist John Tanton‘s motivation.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        The facts are my dear Peter black, brown and yellow people are in this country to stay and aren’t going anywhere. The sky is not falling. Sorry Chicken Little.

      • .
        You are juggling hammers now, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, desperately looking to whack nails that aren’t here, there, or anywhere but in your own mind:

        — homosexuality ( as if homosexuals are ONLY “white” — hahahaha — and can’t and don’t reproduce, let alone raise heterosexual’s throw-away babies )

        — feminism ( as if feminists are ONLY “white” — hahahaha — and can’t and don’t reproduce, let alone raise chauvinist misogynist’s throway babies )

        — “white” people are a group ( who are you, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, John Tanton himself writing under a pseudonym ? ! ? )

        You crack me up.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        The only thing that is true Peter is that the white population is shrinking due to lack of children. We also know that the black, brown and yellow populations are holding steady and growing. Your chicken little scenario isn’t working. Have a nice day Peter.

      • LILIBETH

        The real self annihilation is coming from whites. NO CHILDREN? NO FUTURE!

      • .
        Again, you echo John Tanton exactly, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, hence their call for

        — bans on contraceptives, at least paying for them,

        — bans on abortion,

        — essentially, if a men can get a woman pregnant, society will force her to bring that man’s choice to term, the woman has no choice,

        — men’s rights in sex, see a recent judge’s decision that a less then strong “no” equal “yes”,

        — men’s rights over “his” child, even if the woman accuses the man of rape in her pregnancy,

        — no paid leave, so women can’t maintain employment if pregnant, and becomes an at-home baby factory,

        … and so on.

        Thank you @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, for pointing out what ignorance and fear drives bigoted, racist, white supremacist, white nationalists like John Tanton and T-Rump and his John Tanton-indoctrinated administration.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Banning contraceptives? What nonsense! If you want a contraceptive you pay to play. Telling people that the white race is shrinking has nothing to do with me or anyone else it’s just fact. I know you don’t like facts but unfortunately you cannot change them. Dear Peter have a nice day.

      • .
        Although you seem to understand everything about John Tanton‘s and white-supremacist’s white nationalist’s FEARS as basic facts, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus …

        … you seem to NOT understand John Tanton‘s and white-supremacist’s white nationalist’s POWERS as basic facts …

        … considering that YOU voted white-supremacist white nationalists into power.

        However, I see that you believe that their policies align with your religious FEARS, and that’s how they are playing it.
        __________

        — You believe abortion is morally wrong.

        — They believe abortion reduces the white population … but they sell limits and prohibitions on abortion on morality because that’s what voters like you are motivated by.
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        — You believe that contraception is an optional luxury, “pay to play”, as you so cynically call it.

        — They believe contraception reduces the white population … but they sell limits and prohibitions on contraception on morality and “pay to play” because that’s what voters like you are motivated by.
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        “… Get your bigots to the ballot box …” = voters like you..

        Oh, here comes @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus right now.

        Yet, someday, the same people @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus votes for today will disenfranchise @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus’s vote, Constitutionally protected equal rights, citizenship, pursuit of happiness, liberty, life.

        My sharing is not “hysteria”, as you try to dismiss it ( look up the meaning of the word * ).

        My sharing is research-based fact by which we can make informed decisions.
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        * hysteria, noun
        nervous system disease, 1801, coined in medical Latin as an abstract noun from Greek hystera “womb,” from proto Indo European *udtero-, variant of *udero- “abdomen, womb, stomach” ( see uterus ), originally defined as a neurotic condition peculiar to women and thought to be caused by a dysfunction of the uterus, with abstract noun ending -ia, general sense of “unhealthy emotion or unhealthy excitement” is by 1839.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        I understand that you are afraid for brown and black people because then your political agenda would be jeopardized. Thank you for nothing. We are surviving and procreating without the need to be on the democratic liberal Plantation. The Plantation has done nothing but enslaved black people and made them dependent. Time for us to stand on our own 2 feet again and to ne responsible himan beings. This means breaking free of the left and dims who are trying to use us as political capital.

      • .
        I presume you brought that agenda with you, too, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, as it is not mine, is not part of this thread, and is not part of the opening article.

        I do not even understand it, considering that Democrat T-Rump refused to rent to Blacks, but when T-Rump turned Republican to show his disgust for the Democratic Party that promoted a Black President, YOU then voted for T-Rump, as if you’ll follow “massa” anywhere and do “massa’s” bidding.

        You are a hammer, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, treating every chance to express yourself as an opportunity to whack something, even though there are no nails here.

        Watch that recoil, I think you’re whacking your own dɑmn head.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Sorry Peter your propaganda doesn’t work on me. I have to laugh at libs/dims though, they keep trying the same failed tactics and keep failing. It must be hurt to keep hitting their heads against the wall.

        TEA TIME!

      • LILIBETH

        Your hysteria is only for your own kind Pete. You can use fear only for other people, not for me. I am not fearful of the small amount of people who call themselves white supremacists and I’m not fearful of the small amount of people who call themselves black supremacists. That is your GREAT FEAR not mine.

      • .
        I appreciate that you fear “fear”, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        But your inability to imagine any other reaction to evil than fear makes you adamant, and ignorant, and it makes you vote against your own interests.

        A “small amount of people” created the unnecessary war in Iraq, killing hundreds of thousands of people, wasting billions of hard-earned US resources.

        I am confident that you have little to no understanding of the appropriate meanings of words, hence you easily get lost in my attempted dialogs with you.

        “Fear”, eh?

        Well, at least that’s another word you cannot quote me on, so you must have brought that word with you.

        It is not mine.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        The sky is not falling my dear little CHICKEN LITTLE. The libs/dims merely lost another election.

      • LILIBETH

        As we all know Peter 2000 black babies die due to your abortionists per day. Their body parts are then sold. No outcry from you as expected.

      • .
        Again, you seem to understand John Tanton‘s plans very well, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        Why you vote for people who implement those white supremacist white nationalist plans is beyond me.
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        Also, you confuse Constitutionally protected individual rights for everyone ( including Black women ) with unConstitutional denial of rights by others, such as the people you vote for, who’s plans are to disenfranchise non-whites, subjugate non-whites, and eliminate non-whites ( including Black women ).
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        I do not believe I’ve ever seen you respond to the subject of the opening post, nor respond appropriately to the prior post in a thread.

        However, in this thread, you do set an example of the problem:

        — deranged cultists following deranged T-Rump.

        To wit:

        — you claim 2,000 black babies ( ! ) die daily to “… my …” abortionists.

        … totally off subject, I ain’t got no “abortionists”, zero babies die through abortion ( the majority of fertilized eggs NEVER IMPLANT and self-abort, so your God must be the universe’s biggest abortionist ), and the majority of women who seek abortion services are dealing with a brainless zygote, hardly differentiated from a brainless egg or a brainless sperm, all of which can be considered POTENTIAL humans, once-or-more-removed, so perhaps, by your “babies” standard, we should jail masturbating men for killing millions of “babies” in one shot, or we should jail those giving blow jοbs for cannibalising “babies”.
        __________

        You fail to understand the difference between a born citizen’s self determination, and the unConstitutional denial f those freedoms by others, such as John Tanton et alia, ( let alone the self-determination of oneself over one’s own body outside the jurisdiction of government and others ).
        .

      • LILIBETH

        I doubt if you’re white bogeyman is interest in saving the lives of 2000 black babies a day from murderous abortionists. Try something else Peter your hysteria doesn’t work on me.

      • .
        ( a ) Agreed, John Tanton‘s goal is to populate WHITES in order for WHITES to rule, and you voted for his follower, T-Rump.

        ( b ) Morally, ethically, Constitutionally, all a man can do about abortion is keep it in their pants.

        ( c ) Other than standing in as an illustration of the bonobozos described in the opening article, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, do you have a point?
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Goal of white suprmacists -REJECTED BY WHITES who are not having children. Blacks babies continue to be murdered at a higher percentage rate than white babies. Goal of you whites.

      • .
        YOU GET IT, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, John Tanton, T-Rump et alia don’t care about minorities, their energies are being spent banning abortion, denigrating women’s rights, making the government do their bidding to repopulate whites in order to create white rule.

        YOU GET IT !
        .

      • LILIBETH

        And you are entitled to your opinion. Fortunately the rest of us have moved on. We are concerned about real problems not your hysteria.

      • .
        ( a ) No one in the US has an abortion forced on them by the government, but it is a Constitutionally recognized, supported, and protected right to privacy and sovereignty in one’s own body.

        ( b ) Within the law, it is appropriate for anyone to sell or donate anything that is theirs, including their hair to wig makers for cancer patients, kidney donors, bone marrow donors, skin raft donors, amputated or removed parts, tumors, growths of any kind, donated for science and medical research to help others.

        ( c ) All a man can to do to prevent abortion is keep it in his pants, but no one has superior rights or jurisdiction over the inside of another person’s body.

        ( d ) John Tanton and his followers, like T-Rump don’t care about abortions by minority mothers, they only strive to eliminate abortions by white mothers, because their aim is to repopulate whites in order to create white rule.

        You accuse me of no outcry, ignoring every one of my posts that is crying out against John Tanton and his followers, like T-Rump, who don’t care about minorities, they only strive to repopulate whites in order to create white rule.

        Why would you have my cry out against people’s Constitutionally recognized, supported, and protected rights ( see a, b and c, above ) ?

        Is there any other Constitutionally recognized, supported, and protected right you want people to cry out against?

        Freedom of speech?

        Freedom of religion?

        Freedom to own guns?

        If you accept a ban on abortion, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, do you accept a ban on guns?

        Or are you cherry picking our Constitutionally recognized, supported, and protected rights, like you cherry pick your Bibles admonitions on beliefs and behavior, on how you treat yourself and how you treat others?
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Nope just the unborn child who is killed and many times with GOVERNMENT FUNDS! Death is forced upon them and their body parts are sold and the remains thrown away like rubbish.

      • LILIBETH

        Killing babies within the laws of the United States and selling their body parts is fine with you Peter we already know this. And it’s even better when we use government plans to do it now isn’t it Peter ?

      • .
        Your extra legal definition of “babies” being “killed” and your extra legal presumption of jurisdiction inside someone else’s body, and your unidentified claim of “government plans” are all unreferenced and meaningless, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        Repeating your baseless opinion is meaningless.

        Bring some specifics to the discussion.

        Your protestation of …

        “… I don’t like what other people do, legally, under the law …”

        … is not discussable, it’s your opinion, in which I have no interest or concern, no relation, and no business arguing.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        When you stop a baby’s heart from beating it dies. When you stop in adult heart from beating they die. Killing is killing.

      • LILIBETH

        Love it that you totally ignore black nationalist and black supremacist and only augment a small group of white supremacists that you try to pretend are everywhere. Your boogie man “the sky is falling” crap isn’t working Peter. It didn’t work for Hillary it won’t work for you.

        Meanwhile our government is in the business of getting rid of the over 7000 business related regulations and freeing up jobs for REAL people. Try doing something for the people instead of against us.

      • .
        Please identify ONE black supremacist black nationalists in authoritative power in any part of US government, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, then we can discuss.
        __________

        Name ONE regulation of the supposed 7,000 you claim are being gotten rid of, that prevented a job, then we can discuss, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Why just one Pete? Why not organizations that support black supremacy or Afrocentricity? I don’t think you even begin to know how the Black Muslims got started here in the United States or where their philosophy came from. Do yourself a favor- educate yourself .

      • .
        A discussion moves ONE step at a time, ONE detail at a time, ONE subject at a time.

        Claiming there are thousands of anything means nothing, no one can address the claim.

        But ONE at a time offers the chance to inspect and understand.

        Then move on to the next ONE.

        Otherwise, you are just being sweepingly prejudiced by grouping individuals together as a mass, and ignoring the individuals themselves, a rather bigoted approach in which I will not join you.
        __________

        I presume you mean the Nation of Islam and Malcolm X breaking orbit …

        … because there have been Black Muslims in the US since before there was a US, as they fought in the Revolutionary war, and they didn’t “get started”, they were born and raised.

        You have no evidence nor testimony from me to make any of your ridiculous accusatory suppositions.

        And, again, you fail to mention ONE black supremacist in an authoritative position in US government.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        In other words you have many complaints but no answers. Black supremacists/segregationists in the black community are nothing new. White supremacists in our society are not new. I don’t need to claim anything. The fact that these organizations and people exist are fact and have nothing to do with me. You may discuss them and research them all you like. They continue on the margins of our society today. Unfortunately you have elevated the white supremacists to a boogeyman status. Identity politics….

      • .
        No, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, obviously, racist white supremacist white nationalists are not merely on the fringe, but are inside the current federal executive administration, from T-Rump all the way down, and it not only has something to do with you, you and your family are their target.

        Look at the way they denigrate black wealth in US sports.

        Look at the way they ignore Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands in favor of Texas and Florida.

        Look at the way they want to decimate urman — read: black — schools once again, and turn our taxes into vouchers for white private bible schools.

        You have no examples to the contrary.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Again Petey you mistake your opinions for facts…

        My father a public school teacher for over 50 years did not want us in the sewer of the public school system.

      • .
        Too bad your father denied responsibility for participating in the solutions he apparently desired, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        “… I’ve got mine, screw yours …”

        Irresponsibility knows no bounds.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Fortunately for many my father with a surrogate father to them. Fortunately for us he did not want us in the sewer of the public school system. I followed his advice and all 5 of my children are now college graduates 3 with advanced degrees. None has ever had anything more than a traffic citation.

      • LILIBETH

        You don’t seem to know much about business in the United States Peter. It’s the economy stupid. Over regulation is killing jobs in America. Please Peter tell me that are joking when you say you don’t know this.
        Over-regulated America -google it Peter….

      • .
        I thought you didn’t like talking points, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        The Heritage Foundation is not a truth sayer, they are an opinion sprayer, a truth slayer, a corporation with a corporate agenda.
        __________

        What’s a black person’s life worth to you?

        $8,000?

        1/4 that?

        $2,000?

        Considering you claim an entire FAMILY is worth only $8,000 ( Heritage Foundation talking points ).

        That’s cheaper than black slaves cost, pro-rated from the 1600s, 1700s, and 1800s.

        I know, let’s divert municipal water systems to deliver poisonous water to black communities, and up the infant mortality rate.

        What were you writing about killing black babies?

        Oh, government regulation is so bad.

        When we could save $2,000 just by letting a black baby die.

        Who needs to regulate things that cost more than the value of disposable black lives?
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Black lives are being disposed of by the likes of you Peter. There are over 15 million of us missing since Roe versus Wade. You’re killing policy murder 2000 of us everyday while people like you say nothing.

      • .
        Wow, you really have no idea who you are talking to and what thread you are on, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        You have no shame.

        And no ability to learn and grow.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        I know exactly what I’m talking about. Since Roe versus Wade or 15 million black babies have died. We are now at 37 million and are missing 15 million more people. Since Roe versus Wade over 55 million babies have been murdered in this country.

        Anyone who wants the truth could go to Blackgenocide.Com.

        Several years ago, when 17,000 aborted babies were found in a dumpster outside a pathology laboratory in Los, Angeles, California, some 12-15,000 were observed to be black.”
        –Erma Clardy Craven (deceased)
        Social Worker and Civil Rights Leader

      • .
        You alway signore the complete story, such as the millions of black women dead from back-alley abortion, complications in childbirth, abject poverty trying to hold together their family.

        Safe abortion isn’t just the loss of a potential born human being ( which God himself does 50% of the time ), it is also the expression of a woman’s choice to demand to live in the US under equal Constitutional recognition, support, and protection.

        You never answered if you support rescinding the Second Amendment, you know, because life is so precious that protecting it supersedes Constitutional rights.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Killing innocent babies in the womb is not going to save anyone.

      • .
        Look up medical procedures, and the history of abortion and the death rate before it was legal.

        Woman dies after abortion request ‘refused’ at Galway hospital”
        [ http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-20321741 ]
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Innocent Babies dying Peter. Being killed for existing.

      • .
        Why are you telling me?
        .

      • LILIBETH

        I always tell baby killing cheerleaders what they are -murders .

      • .
        You have no support for your inaccurate and inappropriate berserker claim.

        Swing into drowning in your own putrid vomit, sweet chariot.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        I always tell cheerleaders of death that they are murderers.

      • .
        You have no support for your absurd claim.

        Swing in lying shame, sweet chariot.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Abortion kills 100% of the time. The death of babies supports my claim. 2000 black babies a day. I can see you’re crying for them Petey….What a humanitarian you are.

      • LILIBETH

        Thanks to the Second Amendment you are here babbling right now.

      • .
        So, do you have another Constitutionally protected right you’d like to toss?

        Voting?

        Fair trial?

        State instituted religion?
        .

      • LILIBETH

        2nd amendment going strong! YAY!

      • .
        Yeah, daily massacres, it’s what makes America great, according you you, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, apparently.

        You claim that you hate anyone killing the unborn inside of themselves.

        But the born?

        Line ’em up!
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Thankfully armed people have defended themselves and others. Care to take a walk in Chicago this evening?

      • LILIBETH

        YAY…. a concerned neighbor who heard the Texas church massacre unfolding on Sunday went and grabbed his rifle and tried to stop it — opening fire on the shooter and chasing him down in a stranger’s truck, a report says.

      • .
        Why didn’t prayer save the folks IN CHURCH?

        Why didn’t the folks in church HAVE GUNS at the ready?

        Why wasn’t the armed neighbor IN CHURCH — an atheist?

        Why did the armed neighbor miss, even though he was an NRA member — unskilled, drunk, a co-conspirator trying to look innocent?

        I do not see you exploring the possibilities and ramifications, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Prayer is speaking to God. Prayer is not magic. The assailant was hit and then after a phone call to his own father speaking of having been wounded he took his own life. I think you need to go back and read the facts

      • LILIBETH

        Thank God the concerned neighbor had a gun and shot the assailant. He ended the tragedy before it could get worse. No telling who else he would have killed. You should be congratulating him for his quick thinking and his ability to handle fire arms.

      • .
        Oh yes, after the first 2 dozen or more shooting victims die, inside, it’s good to have someone else, outside, shoot back at someone, outside, even though the second gunman was not a witness to the first gunman’s alleged shootings, inside, and so the second gunman had no idea who he was shooting at.

        Good plan for closing the barn door after the barn burns down, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, unable to think for yourself beyond propagandistic sloganeering.

        Tells us, are YOU wearing a semiautomatic rifle to church from now on, hypocrite?
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Lol….. It is good to have someone apprehend the criminal and stop him from further killings. Nice to know that the police are only minutes away when seconds count.

      • .
        I understand your opinionated dump, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, and I understand you think your post is appropriate or somehow in response to my post.

        But I asked you is you will attend church armed.

        You failed to answer.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Your concern for my well being as touching Peter. Thank you for your concern we are well taken care of and well armed here.

      • LILIBETH

        Thankfully the police understand that the only way to stop an armed criminal is with a gun or weapon to incapacitate the criminal. You on the other hand will stay crouched in the closet hoping the police will get there before the criminal harms you. Criminals love the weak and stupid.

      • LILIBETH

        Thank you for worrying about us Christians. Fortunately at my congregation we have a gentleman who teaches and helps us to get licenses. You will be glad to know he’s very thorough about all aspects of the law.

      • .
        WWJS?

        What would Jesus shoot?

        WWJSW?

        What would Jesus shoot with?

        WWJS?

        Who would Jesus shoot?
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Luke 22:36

        He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

        You don’t know anything about Jesus Peter face it.

      • .
        Riiiight.

        Jesus would kill Muslims, who would not even exist for 700 years.

        Swing lower, sweet chariot.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        There’s nothing fair about most trials or our Injustice system and we all know that illegals are voting. Even that couldn’t save the dims in this last election. That is why the Dems don’t want voters ID.

      • .
        No, no one legitimately suspects that non-citizens vote in citizen-only voting situations.

        No one needs an ID to be a citizen.

        No one needs to proves they have not committed a crime.

        It is up to the government to prove that someone has committed a crime, and cannot pursue indictment without prima facie evidence, without probable cause, without a grand jury, nor imprisonment without a trial and a guilty verdict.

        You seem to HATE all then things the MAKE US GREAT, and always have, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        Why is that?

        Kindly move to Saudi Arabia or North Korea if you cannot stand to live in a Constitutional pluralistic democracy with recognition, support, and protection for individual equal rights, paid for by all according to their ability, consumed by all according to their need.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Go back to sleep Petey . I have lived in California. Even your denial is weak.

      • LILIBETH

        I like facts Peter. Over-regulation is strangling jobs in the United States and our people are suffering. Thankfully it’s coming to an end and businesses are starting to hire again. Some of the jobs that illegals are taking from blacks can be made up in other sectors. Most dims/ libs have no desire to see blacks working and on their own two feet. It’s easier to control blacks when you can keep them on the Democratic Plantation and dependent.

        OVER REGULATIONS……. not regulations dim lib Peter.

      • .
        Ouch, your talking points have no substantiation.

        Name ONE regulation that you believe did more harm than good.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Over-regulation Peter not one regulation. If you had read the article that I sent to you you would have seen that.

      • LILIBETH

        This is an excerpt on over regulation and its costs to the American people. Of course there is much more than this but I doubt if you’ll even read this.

      • .
        So, you can’t name ONE black supremacist black nationalists in authoritative power in any part of US government, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Lol….you can’t name one white supremacist in any part of our government. The black Muslims are built on white black Supremacy.

      • .
        So, you can’t read the references already in this thread.

        Aside from T-Rump?

        Kris Kobach.

        Jeff Sessions.

        Both with ties to John Tanton.

        … keep scanning the thread for a fuller list already posted of John Tanton‘s followers in T-Rump‘s administration and elsewhere in government today.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Lol….voting integrity makes him a white supremacists? You are a joke Peter. Your idea of the President being a white supremacist is also a joke.

      • .
        What does “voting integrity” have to do with anything here?
        .

      • LILIBETH

        All across this nation people voted for the representatives who voted for President Trump. All done with integrity and honesty. 13% of blacks voted for President Trump 27% of Asians voted for President Trump and 30% of Hispanics voted for President Trump. President Trump also won white voters by a margin almost identical to that of Mitt Romney.

        The losers immediately screamed , yelled, bash their heads against the wall and tried to reverse the election results. The idiots have been trying ever since. A lot is going to happen in the next three years. Fasten your seatbelt, it’s going to be a bumpy ride for you. Rosie O’Donnell states she’s not sure that she is going to be able to make it to the next 3 years. BUMMER!

      • .
        Wow, you have your numbers wrong, none of them are accurate as stated *, math is quite a challenge, eh, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus?

        ~24% of the US voted against T-Rump.

        ~19% of the US voted for T-Rump.

        And ‘integrity’ in a gerrymandered, voter-restricted environment is a misnomer.
        __________

        * ( % of residents or citizens or eligible voters or actual voters … and … according to exit polls or FOIA.gov Freedom of Information Act releases ALREADY? )
        .

      • LILIBETH

        I have my numbers just fine Petey. That is why we have PresidentTrump today. Very few understood how many people were going to show up and vote for President Trump . You and Hillary got quite a surprise didn’t you?

      • .
        Ooops, you said “people”, when we all know T-Rump lost the “people” count.

        24% of the US population voted AGAINST T-Rump.

        18% of the US population voted FOR T-Rump.

        Have you forgotten your slogan, your battle cry?

        Swing your head in shame, sweet chariot.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Sorry Petey dead people and illegals don’t count. We are a democratic Republic which means that people all across this nation elect their representatives. Big city mobs cannot decide the direction of the country. All across this nation 30 states voted for President Trump. Nothing you can do about it except cry….

      • LILIBETH

        There are no white supremacists in AUTHORITATIVE power in any part of the US government Peter. Your white supremacist boogeyman is a joke.

      • .
        I appreciate that you are unable to follow the specific references in this thread.

        And you have no understanding of T-Rump as an ignorant, fearful, hateful, racist white supremacist white nationalist.

        And the people in his administration, many with specific ties to John Tanton.

        Jeff Sessions.

        … on down.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Your white supremacist scenario isn’t working Peter. Try another tactic it didn’t get you guys elected and it’s not going to get you back in power.

      • LILIBETH

        Lol…. You guys lost the election Peter. Trying to blame it on white supremacy is a cop-out.

      • .
        So you do not understand John Tanton‘s decades of anti-immigrant propaganda, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        Funny, but you can recite it like memorized talking points.

        John Tanton is in your mouth, and you swallow and spit his venomous poison without any awareness of it’s origins.

        Re-read this thread, and follow and read the links and references.

        And stop pretending you know anything.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Right now we need to be taking care of our own people here in the United States not importing poverty Peter. We have a war going on at our Southern border. We have human trafficking drugs and all sorts of other illegal activities that are destroying our people. We don’t need to import more problems. We have enough problems of our own and by “we” I certainly mean black people in this countryntoo. Black people are hurt the most by illegals and refugees in this country.

      • .
        Don’t tell me, tell your furer, because he’s the one who has done nothing but try to kick folks out of health care insurance, deny our fellow LGBT population equal Constitutional recognition, support, and protection, and so on.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Obamacare is unaffordable and not working Pete.

      • .
        Talking point without substantiation or legal basis.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Absolutely Obama care is dying. Obamacare repeal costs: 3 million jobs gone, $1.5 trillion in lost gross state product
        Dan Mangan | @_DanMangan
        Published 5:15 PM ET Thu, 5 Jan 2017 Updated 5:57 PM ET Thu, 5 Jan 2017
        CNBC.com

      • .
        Aside from opinion in your post — why waste your time? I will not waste mine —

        … 8 million people with medical health care insurance who did not have it before is amazingly positive, exactly what our self-governance is here to do, read our founding and definitive documents.

        I don’t even need to vet your claim.

        8 million additional people with medical health care insurance is amazingly positive.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Too late you’ve already wasted your time

      • LILIBETH

        Dream on Peter…..Obamacare exchanges are falling apart, Medicaid spending is growing at an excessive pace, and taxing the uninsured is both ineffective and politically unsustainable. For the 85% of enrollees with lower incomes, federal subsidies make the premiums somewhat more affordable. Those even closer to the poverty line can get additional subsidies that reduce the deductibles, which can run into the thousands of dollars.
        But for many middle class Americans — a single person earning more than $47,520 or a family of four with an income of $97,200 — the pricey premiums and deductibles mean health care coverage remains out of reach.
        Powered by SmartAsset.com

        SMARTASSET.COM
        “The middle class are getting squeezed,” said Larry Levitt, senior vice president at the Kaiser Family Foundation. “They aren’t getting subsidies and these deductibles are hard to afford.”
        This schism is turning Obamacare into another government benefit program for lower- and moderate-income Americans. The typical enrollee has an income of only 165% of the federal poverty level, or $40,000 for a family of four.

      • .
        There’s a big surge in ACA enrollment in spite of T-Rump maliciously doing everything he can to tear ACA apart, at the expense of we-the-people who have no accessible alternative to ACA for medical health care insurance.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Of course we have funded another poverty program. Time to kill the another beast. You haven’t even stop to consider all those that this unaffordable ACA is harming because they mean nothing to you.

      • .
        Name one, and let’s discuss.

        Swing like a stone down an empty well, sweet chariot.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        The truth needs a legal basis? LOL…..try this Peter…. Private insurance companies are being subsidized by the taxpayer. When President Trump announced he was going to pull those subsidies the insurance private insurance companies were appalled. Where is the legal basis that tells us we have to subsidized private insurance companies to prop up a failing Obamacare. I thought you were against the government paying Private Industry unearned entitlements.

      • .
        … to cover medical health care insurance for individuals.

        You are unable to read, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        To cover a losing proposition. We are already 20 trillion dollars in debt that is the net for you is it? Do you understand the words “not sustainable”?

      • .
        Any society that excludes any one of it’s members is already a failure.

        That’s proven itself “not sustainable”.

        Educating, employing, insuring, housing black is “not sustainable”.

        Educating, employing, insuring, housing women is “not sustainable”.

        Educating, employing, insuring, housing the handicapped is “not sustainable”.

        Educating, employing, insuring, housing old folks is “not sustainable”.

        Educating, employing, insuring, housing sick folks is “not sustainable”.

        Educating, employing, insuring, housing children is “not sustainable”.

        I know what is not sustainable:

        — Unconstitutional disenfranchisement of our otherwise equal citizens.

        Swing into an endlessly deep tar pit, sweet chariot.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Thankfully getting off the democratic Plantation will certainly help to include many people who have been lost.

      • LILIBETH

        LGBT don’t need special recognition Petey. Dead issue…time to get back to reality.

      • LILIBETH

        A child is not a choice Peter you’re murdering an unborn innocent baby.The fact that you were OK with that tells me how inhumane you really are.

      • .
        I appreciate that you are trying to change the subject, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        But the subject is not whether or not abortion is murder.

        The subject is whether or not the people you vote for want to stop abortion because it’s murder, or because they want to repopulate the white race, and have murderous plans for non-whites in their queue for people like you.

        Get on subject.

        Before you vote again.

        Stop going off at half-cock.

        Know your song well before you start singing.

        Stop voting for racist white supremacist white nationalists who only mean you harm.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        You brought up the fact that babies are a choice and should be killed Peter you change the subject. Not all decent people want to kill children. I’m not surprised that you do.

      • .
        You lïe like a fïlthy-dïrty-pυke-and-shït-stɑïned rug, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        You cannot quote me writing anything like the hysterical ( word used accurately here ) noise in your own head, and only in your own miserable self-righteous head.

        The only people I know of who believe that babies or children should be kïlled are John Tanton and his rabïd, ïgnοrant, fearful, hateful, racïst whïte supremacïst whïte nationalïst followers, neο-Nɑzïs, neο-KKK, and neο-Cοnfederɑtes, many of whom have risen to power in T-Rump‘s administration …

        … empowered by YOUR equally ïgnοrant vote.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Your hysteria is comical Peter. Certainly not taken seriously by sane people. Sorry for you.

      • .
        You keep using that word “hysteria” … as you invent hysterical accusations for you to believe about others, hysterical accusations without any basis in fact, exhibited by your inability to respond with any quote justifying your hysterical accusations, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        I didn’t think you had any reason to write what you wrote, and I believed you knew you were lying at the time you wrote it, writing your gibberish solely for hysterical effect.

        Thanks for illustrating the opening post theme:

        — delusional people following deranged T-Rump.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Lol….the sky is not falling CHICKEN LITTLE. I am immuned to your hysterical accusations

      • .
        Please quote anything from my posts and from Hillary Clinton, showing an overlap, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, then we can discuss specifics.

        Otherwise, again, you are merely fɑrting to smell your own fɑrts.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        LOL – Peter – you nastiness is duly noted – as is Hillary’s . Both of you have been rejected. Your homosexual message that has been rejected by the voters (no homosexual marriage crap), your disrespect of Christian Conservatives and your disregard for the lives of the unborn – all duly noted by you and Killary.

        Even liberal California rejected HOMOSEXUAL PERVERSION CALLED MARRIAGE – twice!

      • LILIBETH

        I don’t think you read half the crap you write Peter if you did you would understand the responses.

      • .
        I KNOW you did not read the opening article, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, because you arrived here like a poster child illustrating the worst accusations of the opening article, and you seem ignorant and proud of that.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        No one reads your liberal dim talking points. We hear them daily in the lamestream media that no one believes any more.

      • .
        Yes, I know you arrived as a graffiti artist spray painting your Konservative Kult Kool-aid Krap regardless of the topic at hand, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        You are merely irellevant, non-responsive SPAM, unable to dialog, unable to learn, unable to share your experience, perhaps because you have no awareness of your own experience, but only the Bibles studies and KKKK Klaptrap filling your graffiti spray-paint can.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Read it Peter….Nation of Takers: America’s Entitlement Epidemic

        Front Cover
        Nicholas Eberstadt
        Templeton Foundation Press, Oct 10, 2012 – Political Science – 144 pages
        0 Reviews

        In A Nation of Takers: America’s Entitlement Epidemic, one of our country’s foremost demographers, Nicholas Eberstadt, details the exponential growth in entitlement spending over the past fifty years. As he notes, in 1960, entitlement payments accounted for well under a third of the federal government’s total outlays. Today, entitlement spending accounts for a full two-thirds of the federal budget. Drawing on an impressive array of data and employing a range of easy- to- read, four color charts, Eberstadt shows the unchecked spiral of spending on a range of entitlements, everything from medicare to disability payments. But Eberstadt does not just chart the astonishing growth of entitlement spending, he also details the enormous economic and cultural costs of this epidemic. He powerfully argues that while this spending certainly drains our federal coffers, it also has a very real,long-lasting, negative impact on the character of our citizens. Also included in the book is a response from one of our leading political theorists, William Galston. In his incisive response, he questions Eberstadt’s conclusions about the corrosive effect of entitlements on character and offers his own analysis of the impact of American entitlement growth.
        More »

      • .
        You have no point, then, eh @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, arguing against yourself, letting some Google-found book summary promise that

        — William Galston ( part of a $wing-both-way$ globalist think tank )

        — and Nicholas Eberstadt ( a globalist, and part of a conservative think tank that offered bribe$ to scientists to negatively critique other scientist’s work ! ),

        … can’t agree, and so you yourself are unable to understand:

        — savings ( investment ) while you’re working and young,

        — and withdrawals from savings ( expenses ) when you are older and or in need.

        Our government is not here to tax, and then save, but to tax and the to provide recognition, support, and protection for our inborn inalienable equal INDIVIDUAL rights to our own INDIVIDUAL life, to our own INDIVIDUAL liberty, and to our own INDIVIDUAL pursuit of our own INDIVIDUAL happiness.

        And we all together can accomplish more together, including the expected contribution of our progeny, who will continue to pay for the infrastructure we pass on, infrastructure that was created in debt, debt that they will inherit, and pass on the infrastructure they inherited, and some debt, and create more infrastructure, and more debt to use, benefit from, and pass on.

        A society is like a family only in the sense of recognizing the past and future generations who have and will participate in each other’s lives and endeavors.

        You seem to miss that practical history, that you are benefiting from everyone before you, slaves and feminists and transgender people and homosexuals and non-Christians and atheists alike made your life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness possible, and you owe them, and you owe the future to pass it on.

        You fail to understand the necessary balance between investment and expense.

        That’s what we pay for, and that’s what we’re trying to get.

        Entitlements are just that, things we are entitled to, by contract, such as an appropriate return on our hard-wrought investments, payout and payback for our contributions to our society, to our “tax coffers”, and from our “tax coffers” — that’s what they are there for.

        The sad thing is that you think Nicholas Eberstadt’s biased myopia is the whole story and true, when the summary quote you provide not only calls it theory, but William Galston offers an alternative viewpoint theory, in other words, they are arguing over speculation, interpretation, theory, and opinion … fun for some, but unreal, and essentially meaningless, especially compared to our common Constitutional contract to support each other.
        __________

        To me, the summary you share is exactly like the statistic that showed that the military soldiers wearing helmets resulted in MORE injuries requiring medical attention than soldiers wearing no helmets …

        … because soldiers wearing no helmets died from their injuries and no medical assistance could help, so none was provided.

        “… BUT …”, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus would say, “… statistics prove that NOT wearing helmets results in fewer expenses in medical support costs, so, …

        … OFF WITH THEIR HELMETS …

        … for $afety’$ $ake! …”
        __________

        Another collaboration between the AEI and Brookings may help you out, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus:

        Opportunity, Responsibility, and Security,
        A Consensus Plan for Reducing Poverty
        And Restoring The American Dream

        by the Members of the AEI / Brookings
        Working Group on Poverty and Opportunity, 2015, 88 pages
        [ https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Full-Report.pdf ]
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Wow what a pile of garbage Peter. Your mind is really cluttered with nonsense. No wonder you are hysterical half the time or maybe all of the time.

      • .
        So, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, you did NOT READ your own quoted piece.

        And you did NOT READ the publication at the link I shared, offering more from the authors of YOUR CITATION, to expand your understanding of them and their approach to their subject.

        You seem to do that a lot — quick search, copy, paste what you think is headline-supportive or responsive to your own points, but in fact support my contentions, averse to your own points.

        Well. one of us keeps getting smarter.

        Grow or die.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        I have no need to do any quick search my dear because all of this is old stuff.

      • .
        So … you acknowledge that you don’t read your cut-and-paste, regardless of where you get it, unaware that it supports me, not you, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        Got it.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        All information except your opinion is cut and paste unless you’re out there gathering it yourself Peter. And we all know that you are not.

      • .
        No, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, your copy-and-paste is from other people’s opinions, and even that supports my presentation here, not yours, showing that you don’t actually read your own copy-and-past.

        Feel free to argue anything I have copied-and-pasted, like our founding and definitive documents, and referenced research by independent agencies, and so on.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        You give your opinion every day on here and you give other people’s opinion Peter . You just don’t want anyone else to have a different opinion. Not gonna happen.

      • .
        I support my presentation with references, they are not my opinion, nor the opinion of the references, they are direct testimony and multi-independently corroborable facts.

        I ask you to support your presentations, you do not, so I leave them as opinions, beliefs not based on facts.

        The references you have shared are opinions, not facts, publications from conservative think tanks with an agenda, one sided, and when I mention alternative insights on the subjects, you call me the talking-pointillist, instead of admitting that you are the only one between us who has presented talking points.

        I do not know nor care about talking points, and follow no one but my own research, which I have presented with detailed specifics.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        As we all know Peter anyone can find an article by someone else supporting an idea that you believe in. This does not mean that it’s true it just means it’s you and the other person think alike.

      • .
        Unrelated to my offering.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        You’re offering is unrelated to reality Peter. Snowflakes melting!

      • .
        Snowflakes are powerful, beautiful, unique, and totally natural, thanks.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        They melt…

      • .
        Snowflakes melt, and nurture all growing things, and the rivers flow, and carve the earth, and the water return to the skies to do it all over again.

        While the recalcitrant fundamentalist conservative religionists and unconstitutional libertarians squat like rocks and boulders, offering nothing, no life, to anyone.

        Yes, “They melt …” … snowflakes melt … snowflakes melt the rocks and boulders, eventually.

        Bit it takes years to break down the rocks and boulders into anything useful, positive, that contributes to life.

        Snowflakes help growth.

        Rocks and boulders are dead.

        Swing off a cliff into an avalanche of debris, sweet chariot.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        People who are snowflakes do nothing but melt Petey they can’t stand the heat.

      • LILIBETH

        Well Peter dear you are certainly out of any facts or ideas. Time for me to move on to something really important. Careful the sky is falling stay inside

      • .
        Happy to see you leave this thread since you never addressed the opening article.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        All above your head Petey and no I haven’t left the thread I never really leave. But then you know that!

      • LILIBETH

        In case you haven’t noticed Peter we are 20 trillion dollars in debt. The money ran out a long time ago and we are living on borrowed money and time.I know that this is hard for you to see considering that you are blind in one eye and can’t see ever the other one. You crazies won’t be satisfied until worry are in the same shape that Venezuela is in.

      • .
        You seem hysterical, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, as if you think the sky is falling.

        Well, with your T-Rump wanting to use nuclear weapons in the Middle East and North Korea, maybe you have reason to believe that there will be no more sky …

        … and yet, YOU voted for T-Rump.

        Hence, you are the poster person for the opening article:

        Call It Like It Is:
        Trump Supporters are Part of a Cult
        Following a Deranged Leader

        [ https://forwardprogressives.com/trump-supporters-are-part-of-a-cult-following-a-deranged-leader/ ]
        .

      • LILIBETH

        I don’t have any BOOGEYMAN Pete. That is your invention. President Trump told you that he wanted to use nuclear weapons – call the media. That is big news.

      • .
        Call It Like It Is:
        Trump Supporters [ like @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus ] are Part of a Cult
        Following a Deranged Leader

        [ https://forwardprogressives.com/trump-supporters-are-part-of-a-cult-following-a-deranged-leader/ ]
        __________

        Cooper: … Saudi Arabia, nuclear weapons? …

        T-Rump: … Saudi Arabia, absolutely …

        March 29, 2016
        __________

        Matthews: … Would we drop a nuclear weapon in the Middle East? …

        T-Rump: … somebody hits us [ from ] within ISIS, you wouldn’t fight back with a nuke? …

        March 30, 2016
        __________

        T-Rump: … Europe is a big place, I’m not going to take cards off the table, we have nuclear capability … the thought of it is horrible, but … there will be times maybe when we’re going to be in a very deep, very difficult, very horrible negotiation … I said it yesterday, and I stay with it …

        March 31, 2016
        __________

        T-Rump: … I am prepared to [ let Japan and South Korea become nuclear powers ] …

        May 4, 2016
        __________

        @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus votes for T-Rump

        November 8, 2016
        __________

        T-Rump: … North Korea … will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen … to finally address the dangers posed by North Korea … we must be tough & decisive …

        August 8, 2017
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Is that the best you can come up with? WEAK…

      • .
        Hey, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, you’re the one who thinks 20 trillion dollars means anything in our lifetime,

        … when that’s only ~$60,000 per person,

        … but hey, prorate it like income tax,

        … and I can expect my part to by way less,

        … and T-Rump‘s part to be way more,

        … considering that he’s already responsible for 1/4 of that 20 trillion dollar debt,

        … and we have 3 more years of T-Rump‘s incompetence to go.
        __________

        Funny, but when you accuse others of believing the sky is falling, and I mention T-Rump is the prime person calling for the sky to fall, nuclearly, and YOU VOTED FOR HIM, and I share words, actual accurate quotes and dates, you shrug it off without addressing it …

        … must be as the opening article observes:

        Call It Like It Is:
        Trump Supporters
        [ like @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus ]
        are Part of a Cult
        Following a Deranged Leader

        [ https://forwardprogressives.com/trump-supporters-are-part-of-a-cult-following-a-deranged-leader/ ]
        .

      • LILIBETH

        President Trump is President of the United States. He’s leading this country whether you like it or not. Have a nice day Petey.

      • .
        I do not think the word “leading” means what you think it means, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Lol..chill Peter. As you well know you’re foolish attempts to interpret my meaning have failed once again.

      • .
        I know your facile, la-di-dah careless thoughtless unresearched meaning, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        You do not know the ramifications of your vote empowering T-Rump to bring John Tanton‘s agenda into play.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Fortunately for you Peter I’ve done my research. You have been found wanting, but then you already knew that. Stop with the hysteria.

      • .
        As you yourself write, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, if what someone else writes sn;t a problem, then why respond?

        I think you are defending something, something that you feel is at risk because of my writing.

        Apparently.

        I wish I could tell, by your writing, what that is.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Fortuantely I have no need to respond to anything here because nothing was written worth responding to.

        GOOD NIGHT PETE!

      • .
        Thank you, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        I’ve been asking you to bring quotes from my posts, anything that I have written that you base your assessments of me on, so that we can discuss specifics.

        I see that you decline to identify any such thing.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Petey we both know that you have backed abortion and called it choice. Stop the games. An unborn child is not a choice just a human being inside of its mother.

      • .
        @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus: “… an unborn child is not a choice …”

        Aside from the Mary the Virgin and rape and uninformed copulators and faulty contraception, I’d think reproduction in modern world humans IS a choice.

        You lost me, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        Is this a birds-and-bees issue for you, do you need to talk to your mum again?

        Or did you adopt your kids?
        .

      • LILIBETH

        A child is not a choice dear Peter . A child is a human being. It has nothing to do with how the child is conceived, it has to do with killing in the womb. Abortion is the killing of an unborn child.

      • .
        Uh-huh.

        Yer point, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus?
        .

      • LILIBETH

        A child is not a choice Peter. A child is a child. We live in a country that kills children in the womb.

      • .
        Yes, black communities have been poisoned by bad water supplies and other pollutants, causing infant mortality rates to rise.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Murdering babies in the womb always causes Death Peter. Almost 2,000 black babies a day are dying.

      • .
        Your point?

        Oh, as always, none on topic, and none of any meaning.

        If a pregnant women does not want to carry a man’s impregnation to term, how are you going to stop her?

        And why are you discussing her choice with anyone but her?

        I certainly have nothing to do with getting her pregnant, not getting her unpregnant.

        You seem to be upset about something … that has nothing to do with this thread.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Stop supporting the murder of babies.

      • .
        In what way do you think that I as a non-participant ( I neither impregnate anyone, nor am I pregnant myself ) can support abortion, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus?
        .

      • LILIBETH

        You are either FOR allowing innocent babies to be killed in the womb or you are not.

      • .
        I guess you are FOR the death of the potential child AND the death of mother, AND the abandoning of the mother’s prior children, considering the extraordinarily high death rate for black women trying to bring their pregnancies to term in the US.

        And your T-Rump is trying to cut more and more investment in medical support and insurance for them.

        What was your question on how John Tanton‘s white racist white nationalist followers — many in the T-Rump administration — were going to depopulate blacks from the US?

        They’re making progress, one dead mother and dead potential child at a time.

        Swing into the depths of your own self-made hell, sweet chariot.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Again peer killing unborn children is not going to save the living. You may be for their death but I am not. Why would I want to kill an innocent unborn child. You have a lot in common with your white supremacist nemesis.

      • LILIBETH

        Your hysteria isn’t working on me Peter. Lie down and have a glass of wine instead of whining.

      • .
        It’s not my “hysteria” ( your inaccurate defensive word ) that has any effect on you, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus,

        … it’s John Tanton‘s

        “… to populate is to rule …”

        … plan that is pushing every T-Rump administration policy forward to remove people of color and women from any effective power over WHITE Christian straight monied males of European ancestry.

        And you are trying to hand them the keys to our country.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Lol…… not working Peter. Try something else you’ve come unglued since President Trump won the election. The sky is not falling and hysteria will not win the day.

      • .
        You are not my audience, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, you are my subject.

        You are also the subject of the opening article.

        I am not trying to get anything to “work” on you, especially considering your well-worn, impenetrable bigotry, as evidenced in ~23,000 posts at [ https://disqus.com/by/disqus_VGin9JoY2j/ ] for all to read, way too many of them written in some entanglement with me.

        Here, as always, I am educing my understanding, and polishing my public presentations, and offering Google searchers something worthy to discover.

        I thank you for your reminder of where so many seemingly insurmountable problems lie.

        Inspired by the tireless efforts of

        Pauli Murray [ https://paulimurrayproject.org/pauli-murray/biography/ ]

        — and Bayard Rustin [ http://rustin.org/?page_id=2 ],

        … I shall soldier on.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Subject or audience doesn’t matter Peter. Your well worn theatrics are are a waste of time. The sky is not falling and your foolish hysterics are nothing more than silly nonsense.

        Go back to your useless whining.

      • LILIBETH

        You appear to be suffering from a severe case of Donald Trump Derangement Syndrome. Experts say it is a degenerative brain disease caused by too many far left talking points, misinformation and propaganda. Unfortunately, there is no known cure at this time. So sad.

      • .
        “@disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus” = vapid spam by any other name, but vapid spam nonetheless.

        But, thanks for illustrating the whole point of the opening article, just in case anyone wasn’t sure that people so adamantly set on self-annihilation really existed.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        SELF DENIAL PETER…..BY JOSHUA SCOTT ALBERT
        MARCH 28, 2017
        WHITE PEOPLE ARE DYING OFF
        An inconvenient truth

        A newly released study from the University of New Hampshire reveals that 38% of the U.S. has a declining white population. In 17 states more white people are dying than are being born.

        Over a 15-year time span the number of white births dropped by 8.4% in the entire United States while the number of deaths in that same time span rose by 5.8%.

        LOOK AT EUROPEANS. ….From Italy to Sweden, Europe is dying
        Douglas Murray

        BRING YOUR HEAD OUT OF THE SAND PETER. Whites refuse to have enough children to replace themselves and are dying as a race.

      • LILIBETH

        Your boogeyman is irrelevant PETER. The is not falling. Your hysteria that makesbyou believe that all black, brown and yellow people are leaving America is just that ” HYSTERICS “.

      • .
        Yes, finally you do some research, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, and it’s EXACTLY the same research done by John Stanton for the Pioneer Fund

        … hence their plans to deal with “the problem” on too many non-whites:

        — deportations,

        — reducing to eliminating non-white immigration,

        — bans against uniting black families ( the fake “Muslim” ban ),

        — gerrymandering to dilute non-white votes,

        — ID requirements to reduce non-white votes,

        — changing election locations and number of election locations to reduce non-white votes,

        — criminalizing non-whites ( the fake “war on drugs”, et alia ),

        — reducing to eliminating healthcare for non-whites,

        — reducing to eliminating education and education value for non-whites,

        — reducing to eliminating employment and employment value for non-whites,

        — increasing deadly pollution, poison, and cancer for non-whites,

        — using non-whites as cannon fodder in unnecessary foreign wars.

        Thanks for STARTING to do your own research, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        More, please.

        You can even, follow the links I shared, links to the people in and around T-Rump‘s administration who are executing John Tanton‘s plan to repopulate ignorant fearful racist bigoted white supremacist white nationalists, because, as they see it, race wise:

        “… to populate is to rule …”
        __________

        Start with …

        … the Pioneer Fund, an original Nazi-sympathizer foundation from 1937, created “to advance the scientific study of heredity and human differences”, vehemently racist and white supremacist, giving John Tanton‘s fake Federation for American Immigration Reform ( FAIR ) a million+ dollars to scheme up anti immigrant policies with Kris Kobach, also funding John Tanton‘s fake anti immigrant “groups” ProjectUSA and American Immigration Control Foundation, and funding white nationalist Jared Taylor and his fake American Renaissance and Occidental Quarterly publications, and Roger Pearson‘s fake Institute for the Study of Man, and other key academic white nationalists in both Right Now! and American Renaissance, plus their New Century Foundation, all “neo-Nazi organizations closely integrated with the far right in American politics.”

        Continue with references …

        Avner Falk. Anti-semitism: a history and psychoanalysis of contemporary hatred. Abc-Clio, 2008, pg. 18

        Tucker, William H. (2007). The funding of scientific racism: Wickliffe Draper and the Pioneer Fund. University of Illinois Press. ISBN 978-0-252-07463-9. Lay summary (26 July 2013).

        Andrew Wroe. The Republican party and immigration politics: from Proposition 187 to George W. Bush. University of Illinois Press, 2008, pg. 81

        Southern Poverty Law Center Into the Mainstream; An array of right-wing foundations and think tanks support efforts to make bigoted and discredited ideas respectable. Retrieved March 7, 2017

        Beirich, Heidi. “Pioneer Fund Assets Divided; New Leadership Appointed”. Hatewatch. Southern Poverty Law Center. Retrieved 9 February 2014.

        Segal, Nancy L. (2012). Born Together—Reared Apart. Cambridge (MA): Harvard University Press. ISBN 978-0-674-05546-9. Lay summary (16 May 2013).

        Lombardo, Paul A. (2002). “”The American Breed”: Nazi eugenics and the origins of the Pioneer Fund”. Albany Law Rev. 65 (3): 743–830. PMID 11998853.

        Rushton, J. Philippe (2002). “The Pioneer Fund and the Scientific Study of Human Differences” (PDF). Albany Law Rev. 66: 209.

        Lombardo, Paul A. (2002). “Pioneer’s Big Lie”. Albany Law Rev. 66: 1125.

        Tucker, William H. (2002). “A Closer Look at the Pioneer Fund: Response to Rushton”. Albany Law Rev. 66: 1145.

        Lombardo Paul A. “”The American Breed”: Nazi Eugenics and the Origins of the Pioneer Fund”. Albany Law Review. 65 (3): 743–830.

        May, R.W. (May 14, 1960). “Genetics and Subversion”. The Nation. 190: 421.

        J P Jackson, (2005). Science for segregation: race, law, and the case against Brown v. Board of Education. City: New York University Press. p. 34. ISBN 0-8147-4271-8.

        T Hashaw, (2007). Children of Perdition: Melungeons and the Struggle of Mixed America. City: Mercer University Press. p. 158. ISBN 0-88146-074-5.

        Osborn, Frederick (24 February 1937). ‘Summary of the proceedings’ of the Conference on Eugenics in Relation to Nursing. American Eugenics Society Archives.

        Mehler, Barry (1989). “Foundation for Fascism: the New Eugenics Movement in the United States”. Patterns of Prejudice. 23 (4).

        Crawford, James (1993). Hold Your Tongue: Bilingualism and the Politics of “English Only”. Addison Wesley. ISBN 978-0-201-62479-3.

        Pioneer Fund. Founders and Former Directors. Archived 2012-11-30 at the Wayback Machine. Retrieved July 16, 2006.

        Begos, Kevin (December 11, 2002). Benefactor With a Racist Bent: Wealthy recluse apparently liked the looks and potential of Bowman Gray’s new medical-genetics department. Winston-Salem Journal}

        Lichtenstein, Grace (December 11, 1977). Fund Backs Controversial Study of “Racial Betterment.” New York Times

        Pioneer Fund Founders and Former Directors Archived 2012-11-30 at the Wayback Machine.

        Mehler, Barry. Pioneer Fund Grant Totals, 1971-1996. Retrieved July 16, 2006.

        Mehler, Barry (July 7, 1998). Race Science and the Pioneer Fund Originally published as “The Funding of the Science” in Searchlight, No. 277.

        Segal, Nancy L. (2012-06-18). Born Together—Reared Apart: The Landmark Minnesota Twin Study. Harvard University Press. pp. 315–7. ISBN 9780674065154.

        Miller, Adam (1994). “The Pioneer Fund: Bankrolling the Professors of Hate”. The Journal of Blacks in Higher Education (6): 60. doi:10.2307/2962466.

        Tucker, William H. Conclusion: Pioneer or Pamphleteer The Funding of Scientific Racism: Wickliffe Draper and the Pioneer Fund.

        “Academic Racism”. Intelligence Report. Winter 2002. Archived from the original on 2010-02-02.

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        __________

        See how easy that was to get started, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus?

        You can take your mastery of your Bibles studies experiences into this new realm of becoming aware of people who actively challenge and want to eliminate equivalent consideration for all.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Peter your hysterics don’t work on me. THE SKY IS NOT FALLING. Too many non whites are already here. Whites as a world wide population are already SHRINKING because of abortion, feminism, homosexuality, zero population growth propaganda.

      • .
        Wow, you really have an us-versus-them attitude, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, as if it’s possible for any supposed “group” of people to somehow “win” by eliminating an “other” group of people.

        You are right on T-Rump‘s script.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Yes Peter I am responsible for white people not having children and being at subfertility rate. Congratulations you found me out.

      • .
        It’s right there in front of your eyes, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        Some WHITES fearing, as you call it,

        … “… white people not having [ enough ]
        children [ to maintain a majority from which
        to “rule” ] and being at subfertility rate
        [ compared to non-whites, who some whites
        fear will become a majority, and then rule,
        at the expense of those white people ]
        …”.

        It does not have to make sense to you, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        It only has to make sense to them,

        … in order for their ignorant, fearful, hateful bigotry, racism, WHITE supremacy, and WHITE nationalism to make them ACT against what they fear, against you and yours,

        … yet you cannot imagine their fear motivating them to create and fulfill a plan to eliminate non-whites from US majority,

        … even when that plan is brought to your face, and explained in detail, and identified, and the authors named, and the executioners in the administration identified,

        … and the cascade of policies carried out, policies aimed squarely at you and yours.

        THAT’S what the opening article is about,

        … people like you, T-Rump beliebers, caught in the propaganda fervor of T-Rump‘s WWE World Wrestling Entertainment audience,

        … people WANTING to believe that what they see is real,

        … yet the entertainers themselves knowing it’s all for show, taking all the audience’s money and dreams, and giving nothing but a false, shouting, chair-throwing, brouhaha show,

        … all the way to the bank,

        … with your money.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Propaganda doesn’t work on me Peter try something else. White people are responsible for their own failure to have children – no one else. Your way of life is dying because there will be no one to continue it.

        Have a nice day.

      • .
        @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, drinker of the Konservative Kult Kool-Aid,

        … there is no “… my way of life …” for anyone but myself, having nothing to do with anyone else, and visa versa.

        You have John Tanton‘s words in your mouth, and don’t recognize the bitter taste of Nɑzi poison, the spittle and drool of ignorance, fear, hate, and propaganda of racist white supremacy and white nationalism …

        … that YOU voted for in T-Rump and his administration.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Yeah there is YOUR way of life. MORALLY DEFICIENT….

      • .
        The ONLY representation you have of “my way of life”, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, is my Disqus history, wherein I call for one and all, especially those in our service in our self-governance, to honor the credo and promise of our Declaration of Independence, and the contract of our Constitution, Amendments, and case law.

        I very much appreciate from reading your own Disqus posts, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, that you disregard and denigrate all that, and prefer your interpretation of your Bibles morals, not just for you, but to be inflicted on others, who receive your derision no end.

        Inflicting your personal morals for yourself, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, as denial of other’s Constitutionally recognized, supported, and protected inborn unalienable equal rights, is in itself immoral.

        You reject the US founding and definitive documents to such a severe and complete extent, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, one wonders if it is not appropriate to ask:

        why do you hate the US so much, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus?
        .

      • LILIBETH

        MORALLY DEFICIENT lib/dim way of life that tolerates no other. We see it daily. Silence the opposition – LEFTIST WAY OF LIFE.

      • .
        Please refer to a specific example, and relate it to me, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, otherwise, shut up, as that is the most appropriate thing to do when you have nothing accurate to share.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Right now as we all know libs do not want conservatives to have free speech. The liberal speech Nazis are everywhere.

      • .
        Yawn.

        Repeat, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, please share one specific example, and relate it to me, then we can discuss something.

        Otherwise, you are again merely spouting baseless opinion, not worth discussing …

        … because it’s baseless opinion.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        If what I’m telling you is baseless you wouldn’t have a problem with it.This is all too easy Peter, it’s like playing checkers with a child.

      • .
        Yes, I appreciate that you are playing games on the Internet, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, hence my desire not to engage with you in anything but real, specific discussions of real, specific facts.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        LOL – you are in denial and it isn’t working Pete. Blacks and Browns are fine without you. Your hysteria is unnecessary. The sky is NOT falling……yawn…

      • LILIBETH

        As we all know Peter my dear US nationalism is my goal and President Trump’s goal. .You on the other hand (libs/dims) support globalist candidates who support your leftist agenda. Nice try.

      • .
        No, you never seem to write anything in your ( non ) replies, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus — there are no facts in your posts to respond to.

        Merely unbased opinion, conclusory beliefs not based on fact.

        To which you are of course entitled.

        But there is nothing there to discus.

        You claim T-Rump is nationalist, but offer no benefits to US citizens as a result of T-Rump ( especially Puerto Rican and Virgin Islands US citizens ).

        You claim the alternative ( to T-Rump‘s nothing ? ) is globalism and leftist ( ? ) agenda, without identifying anything specific,

        — such as German and Japanese and Korean car manufacturers making cars IN THE US, many FOR EXPORT, to the employment and profit advantage of hundreds of thousands of US citizens,

        — and expanding respect, support, and protection for the rights of minority US citizens,

        … BOTH of which T-Rump has rallied AGAINST.

        You lost me, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        All I can do to speculatively imagine understanding you is shrug and say, “… Bibles …”

        … you know, that ancient, NON US globalist liberal agenda ( re-read the reported teaching of Jesus ) thingy.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Says the king of biased opinion….lol!

      • .
        I have no opinions, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, but you can try and find one in my posts and quote it back to me so I can see what you think is an opinion.

        I share referenced information.

        You do not.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        You are of the opinion that perversion is normal. It is normal for you Peter just not the rest of us. You’re of the opinion that the unborn child is a choice and can be murdered in the womb. Killing is your choice Peter not the choice that the child.

      • .
        Again, if you cannot find specific quotes in my posts to substantiate your attempted statements about me, then there is nothing to address or respond to in your unbased opinions, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus .
        .

      • LILIBETH

        LOL – you have made your idiocy plain enough Pete.

      • .
        Oh?

        Why do you write that, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus?

        Have you got a specific quote you can cite from one of my posts?

        Or do you think the way you do for other reason?

        Do tell.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        You cited it in your post – I answered your post about abortion. Can’t find it? Go back and look.

      • LILIBETH

        You were the one stating that YOU supported abortion (murder of babies in the womb). Now you want me to tell you that you said it. Go back to sleep Pete.

      • .
        Please quote anything I wrote supporting

        “… abortion ( murder of babies in the womb ) …”,

        … @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, then we can discuss whatever made you believe I wrote that.

        Thanks.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Please Pete, start reading what you write.

      • .
        I’m asking YOU to identify what you read and base your conclusory statements on, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus

        Otherwise, we have nothing to discuss, because opinions are beliefs not based on fact, they are personal, and not arguable by anyone else.

        And you are off topic, though you are a poster illustration of the opening article:

        Call It Like It Is:
        Trump Supporters [ like @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus ] are Part of a Cult
        Following a Deranged Leader

        [ https://forwardprogressives.com/trump-supporters-are-part-of-a-cult-following-a-deranged-leader/ ]
        .

      • LILIBETH

        My dear Peter if you do not remember stating that abortion is a choice instead of a child that is your problem not mine. I don’t need to be a part of a cult. I’m perfectly happy with the governments that we have right now. Your cult-like derangement syndrome comes from the fact that President Trump won the election. You Libs dims are still in shock and cannot believe it. Hence your derangement.

      • .
        Asking you to cite your support for your statement has nothing to do with my memory of me, and everything to do with your memory of you, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, and I am not a mind reader.

        If you can’t look it up and bring it into the discussion, if you can’t quote me, then there is nothing to discuss.
        .

      • .
        Quote ONE of my opinions, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, then we can discuss.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Lol quote your own bile Petey…..

      • .
        Again, you make a claim without backing it up, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, hence, it’s an opinion, a belief not based on fact.

        I do not think that you understand the meaning of words.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        I’ve backed up everything I need to backup Petey. I don’t need to requote your white Boogeyman, the sky as following crap.

      • .
        I appreciate your opinion, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        I’m not worried about my opinion Pete.

      • .
        Uh-huh.

        Yer point, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus?
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Answered your point.

      • LILIBETH

        You got that right Petey – you don’t think. And you’re foolish enough to believe your own propaganda.

      • .
        So … nothing, eh, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus?
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Yes you absolutely have nothing.

      • LILIBETH

        Teachings of Jesus…. IF YOU LOVE ME YOU WILL KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.

        There are 1050 Commandments in the New Testament for Christians. They include condemnation of homosexual perversion, they include condemnation of murder as in killing babies in the womb and they tell us that if a man will not work he will not eat. Be careful what you are ask for Peter dear you don’t know the Commandments.

        No where in the Bible does it say loving your neighbor means you must accept the filth and trash and anti Godly behavior that they display.

        But of course you already know all this Peter dear.

      • LILIBETH

        Globalism means a global economy and a global government and open borders. What we have now is called trade. It isn’t globalisms Peter. Please tell me that you already know this so that I don’t think that you are stupid.

        Being a disciple of Obama’s I should think that you would have listened to his last speech at the UN. He railed against this new populist movement i.e. Trumpism and specifically stated that globalism is here to stay and no one can stop it.

      • .
        Google suggests that a common meaning of “globalism” is “the operation or planning of economic and foreign policy on a global basis”, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus …

        … as Tom Watson of IBM said, “… World peace through world trade …”

        Paraphrased, you don’t bomb your customers or suppliers.
        __________

        But perhaps you can find a contemporary reference for your definition, and correlate it to anyone we are talking about …

        … for example, T-Rump, who is the most global of anyone who supposedly presides over one country, depending on many other countries, including US adversaries, for his personal wealth.
        __________

        Neither Stephen Collinson nor Plato were on the ballot, by the way, so your references to them are meaningless.

        And the only people who believe whatever it is you think Plato’s Republic is about are your precious white supremacists like T-Rump and his administrations, all adherents to John Tanton‘s Konservative Kool-Aid Kult ideology for an original Nɑzi world order chosen by superior evolutionary genetics to populate and to rule …

        … and YOU voted for them, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Evidently you’ve never heard Obama’s speeches on globalism. I’m not surprised that you don’t listen to what he has to say. You certainly didn’t listen to his last addressed to the UNITED NATIONS. Your own ignorance betrays you

      • .
        … continued …

        President Obama September 20, 2016 part 2:

        But I believe this thinking is wrong.

        I believe the road of true democracy remains the better path.

        I believe that in the 21st century, economies can only grow to a certain point until they need to open up — because entrepreneurs need to access information in order to invent;
        — young people need a global education in order to thrive;
        — independent media needs to check the abuses of power.

        Without this evolution, ultimately expectations of people will not be met;
        — suppression and stagnation will set in.

        And history shows that strongmen are then left with two paths — permanent crackdown, which sparks strife at home, or scapegoating enemies abroad, which can lead to war.

        Now, I will admit, my belief that governments serve the individual, and not the other way around, is shaped by America’s story.

        Our nation began with a promise of freedom that applied only to the few.

        But because of our democratic Constitution, because of our Bill of Rights, because of our ideals, ordinary people were able to organize, and march, and protest, and ultimately, those ideals won out — opened doors for women and minorities and workers in ways that made our economy more productive and turned our diversity into a strength;
        — that gave innovators the chance to transform every area of human endeavor;
        — that made it possible for someone like me to be elected President of the United States.

        So, yes, my views are shaped by the specific experiences of America, but I do not think this story is unique to America.

        Look at the transformation that’s taken place in countries as different as Japan and Chile, Indonesia, Botswana.

        The countries that have succeeded are ones in which people feel they have a stake.

        In Europe, the progress of those countries in the former Soviet bloc that embraced democracy stand in clear contrast to those that did not.

        After all, the people of Ukraine did not take to the streets because of some plot imposed from abroad.

        They took to the streets because their leadership was for sale and they had no recourse.

        They demanded change because they saw life get better for people in the Baltics and in Poland, societies that were more liberal, and democratic, and open than their own.

        So those of us who believe in democracy, we need to speak out forcefully, because both the facts and history, I believe, are on our side.

        That doesn’t mean democracies are without flaws.

        It does mean that the cure for what ails our democracies is greater engagement by our citizens — not less.

        Yes, in America, there is too much money in politics;
        — too much entrenched partisanship;
        — too little participation by citizens, in part because of a patchwork of laws that makes it harder to vote.

        In Europe, a well-intentioned Brussels often became too isolated from the normal push and pull of national politics.

        Too often, in capitals, decision-makers have forgotten that democracy needs to be driven by civic engagement from the bottom up, not governance by experts from the top down.

        And so these are real problems, and as leaders of democratic governments make the case for democracy abroad, we better strive harder to set a better example at home.

        Moreover, every country will organize its government informed by centuries of history, and the circumstances of geography, and the deeply held beliefs of its people.

        So I recognize a traditional society may value unity and cohesion more than a diverse country like my own, which was founded upon what, at the time, was a radical idea — the idea of the liberty of individual human beings endowed with certain God-given rights.

        But that does not mean that ordinary people in Asia, or Africa, or the Middle East somehow prefer arbitrary rule that denies them a voice in the decisions that can shape their lives.

        I believe that spirit is universal.

        And if any of you doubt the universality of that desire, listen to the voices of young people everywhere who call out for freedom, and dignity, and the opportunity to control their own lives.

        This leads me to the third thing we need to do:
        — We must reject any forms of fundamentalism, or racism, or a belief in ethnic superiority that makes our traditional identities irreconcilable with modernity.

        Instead we need to embrace the tolerance that results from respect of all human beings.

        It’s a truism that global integration has led to a collision of cultures;
        — trade, migration, the Internet, all these things can challenge and unsettle our most cherished identities.

        We see liberal societies express opposition when women choose to cover themselves.

        We see protests responding to Western newspaper cartoons that caricature the Prophet Muhammad.

        In a world that left the age of empire behind, we see Russia attempting to recover lost glory through force.

        Asian powers debate competing claims of history.

        And in Europe and the United States, you see people wrestle with concerns about immigration and changing demographics, and suggesting that somehow people who look different are corrupting the character of our countries.

        Now, there’s no easy answer for resolving all these social forces, and we must respect the meaning that people draw from their own traditions — from their religion, from their ethnicity, from their sense of nationhood.

        But I do not believe progress is possible if our desire to preserve our identities gives way to an impulse to dehumanize or dominate another group.

        If our religion leads us to persecute those of another faith, if we jail or beat people who are gay, if our traditions lead us to prevent girls from going to school, if we discriminate on the basis of race or tribe or ethnicity, then the fragile bonds of civilization will fray.

        The world is too small, we are too packed together, for us to be able to resort to those old ways of thinking.

        We see this mindset in too many parts of the Middle East.

        There, so much of the collapse in order has been fueled because leaders sought legitimacy not because of policies or programs but by resorting to persecuting political opposition, or demonizing other religious sects, by narrowing the public space to the mosque, where in too many places perversions of a great faith were tolerated.

        These forces built up for years, and are now at work helping to fuel both Syria’s tragic civil war and the mindless, medieval menace of ISIL.

        The mindset of sectarianism, and extremism, and bloodletting, and retribution that has been taking place will not be quickly reversed.

        And if we are honest, we understand that no external power is going to be able to force different religious communities or ethnic communities to co-exist for long.

        But I do believe we have to be honest about the nature of these conflicts, and our international community must continue to work with those who seek to build rather than to destroy.

        And there is a military component to that. It means being united and relentless in destroying networks like ISIL, which show no respect for human life.

        But it also means that in a place like Syria, where there’s no ultimate military victory to be won, we’re going to have to pursue the hard work of diplomacy that aims to stop the violence, and deliver aid to those in need, and support those who pursue a political settlement and can see those who are not like themselves as worthy of dignity and respect.

        Across the region’s conflicts, we have to insist that all parties recognize a common humanity and that nations end proxy wars that fuel disorder.

        Because until basic questions are answered about how communities co-exist, the embers of extremism will continue to burn, countless human beings will suffer — most of all in that region — but extremism will continue to be exported overseas.

        And the world is too small for us to simply be able to build a wall and prevent it from affecting our own societies.

        And what is true in the Middle East is true for all of us.

        Surely, religious traditions can be honored and upheld while teaching young people science and math, rather than intolerance.

        Surely, we can sustain our unique traditions while giving women their full and rightful role in the politics and economics of a nation.

        Surely, we can rally our nations to solidarity while recognizing equal treatment for all communities — whether it’s a religious minority in Myanmar, or an ethnic minority in Burundi, or a racial minority right here in the United States.

        And surely, Israelis and Palestinians will be better off if Palestinians reject incitement and recognize the legitimacy of Israel, but Israel recognizes that it cannot permanently occupy and settle Palestinian land.

        We all have to do better as leaders in tamping down, rather than encouraging, a notion of identity that leads us to diminish others.

        And this leads me to the fourth and final thing we need to do, and that is sustain our commitment to international cooperation rooted in the rights and responsibilities of nations.

        As President of the United States, I know that for most of human history, power has not been unipolar.

        The end of the Cold War may have led too many to forget this truth.

        I’ve noticed as President that at times, both America’s adversaries and some of our allies believe that all problems were either caused by Washington or could be solved by Washington — and perhaps too many in Washington believed that as well.

        But I believe America has been a rare superpower in human history insofar as it has been willing to think beyond narrow self-interest;
        — that while we’ve made our share of mistakes over these last 25 years — and I’ve acknowledged some — we have strived, sometimes at great sacrifice, to align better our actions with our ideals.

        And as a consequence, I believe we have been a force for good.

        We have secured allies. We’ve acted to protect the vulnerable.

        We supported human rights and welcomed scrutiny of our own actions.

        We’ve bound our power to international laws and institutions.

        When we’ve made mistakes, we’ve tried to acknowledge them.

        We have worked to roll back poverty and hunger and disease beyond our borders, not just within our borders.

        I’m proud of that.

        But I also know that we can’t do this alone.

        And I believe that if we’re to meet the challenges of this century, we are all going to have to do more to build up international capacity.

        We cannot escape the prospect of nuclear war unless we all commit to stopping the spread of nuclear weapons and pursuing a world without them.

        When Iran agrees to accept constraints on its nuclear program that enhances global security and enhances Iran’s ability to work with other nations.

        On the other hand, when North Korea tests a bomb that endangers all of us.

        And any country that breaks this basic bargain must face consequences.

        And those nations with these weapons, like the United States, have a unique responsibility to pursue the path of reducing our stockpiles, and reaffirming basic norms like the commitment to never test them again.

        We can’t combat a disease like Zika that recognizes no borders — mosquitos don’t respect walls — unless we make permanent the same urgency that we brought to bear against Ebola — by strengthening our own systems of public health, by investing in cures and rolling back the root causes of disease, and helping poorer countries develop a public health infrastructure.

        We can only eliminate extreme poverty if the sustainable development goals that we have set are more than words on paper.

        Human ingenuity now gives us the capacity to feed the hungry and give all of our children — including our girls — the education that is the foundation for opportunity in our world.

        But we have to put our money where our mouths are.

        And we can only realize the promise of this institution’s founding — to replace the ravages of war with cooperation — if powerful nations like my own accept constraints.

        Sometimes I’m criticized in my own country for professing a belief in international norms and multilateral institutions.

        But I am convinced that in the long run, giving up some freedom of action — not giving up our ability to protect ourselves or pursue our core interests, but binding ourselves to international rules over the long term — enhances our security. And I think that’s not just true for us.

        If Russia continues to interfere in the affairs of its neighbors, it may be popular at home, it may fuel nationalist fervor for a time, but over time it is also going to diminish its stature and make its borders less secure.

        In the South China Sea, a peaceful resolution of disputes offered by law will mean far greater stability than the militarization of a few rocks and reefs.

        We are all stakeholders in this international system, and it calls upon all of us to invest in the success of institutions to which we belong.

        And the good news is, is that many nations have shown what kind of progress is possible when we make those commitments.

        Consider what we’ve accomplished here over the past few years.

        Together, we mobilized some 50,000 additional troops for UN peacekeeping, making them nimble, better equipped, better prepared to deal with emergencies.

        Together, we established an Open Government Partnership so that, increasingly, transparency empowers more and more people around the globe.

        And together, now, we have to open our hearts and do more to help refugees who are desperate for a home.

        We should all welcome the pledges of increased assistance that have been made at this General Assembly gathering.

        I’ll be discussing that more this afternoon.

        But we have to follow through, even when the politics are hard.

        Because in the eyes of innocent men and women and children who, through no fault of their own, have had to flee everything that they know, everything that they love, we have to have the empathy to see ourselves.

        We have to imagine what it would be like for our family, for our children, if the unspeakable happened to us.

        And we should all understand that, ultimately, our world will be more secure if we are prepared to help those in need and the nations who are carrying the largest burden with respect to accommodating these refugees.

        There are a lot of nations right now that are doing the right thing.

        But many nations — particularly those blessed with wealth and the benefits of geography — that can do more to offer a hand, even if they also insist that refugees who come to our countries have to do more to adapt to the customs and conventions of the communities that are now providing them a home.

        Let me conclude by saying that I recognize history tells a different story than the one that I’ve talked about here today.

        There’s a much darker and more cynical view of history that we can adopt.

        Human beings are too often motivated by greed and by power.

        Big countries for most of history have pushed smaller ones around.

        Tribes and ethnic groups and nation states have very often found it most convenient to define themselves by what they hate and not just those ideas that bind them together.

        Time and again, human beings have believed that they finally arrived at a period of enlightenment only to repeat, then, cycles of conflict and suffering.

        Perhaps that’s our fate.

        We have to remember that the choices of individual human beings led to repeated world war.

        But we also have to remember that the choices of individual human beings created a United Nations, so that a war like that would never happen again.

        Each of us as leaders, each nation can choose to reject those who appeal to our worst impulses and embrace those who appeal to our best.

        For we have shown that we can choose a better history.

        Sitting in a prison cell, a young Martin Luther King, Jr. wrote that,
        — “… Human progress never rolls on the wheels of inevitability;
        — it comes through the tireless efforts of men willing to be co-workers with God …”

        And during the course of these eight years, as I’ve traveled to many of your nations, I have seen that spirit in our young people, who are more educated and more tolerant, and more inclusive and more diverse, and more creative than our generation; who are more empathetic and compassionate towards their fellow human beings than previous generations.

        And, yes, some of that comes with the idealism of youth.

        But it also comes with young people’s access to information about other peoples and places — an understanding unique in human history that their future is bound with the fates of other human beings on the other side of the world.

        I think of the thousands of health care workers from around the world who volunteered to fight Ebola.

        I remember the young entrepreneurs I met who are now starting new businesses in Cuba, the parliamentarians who used to be just a few years ago political prisoners in Myanmar.

        I think of the girls who have braved taunts or violence just to go to school in Afghanistan, and the university students who started programs online to reject the extremism of organizations like ISIL.

        I draw strength from the young Americans — entrepreneurs, activists, soldiers, new citizens — who are remaking our nation once again, who are unconstrained by old habits and old conventions, and unencumbered by what is, but are instead ready to seize what ought to be.

        My own family is a made up of the flesh and blood and traditions and cultures and faiths from a lot of different parts of the world — just as America has been built by immigrants from every shore.

        And in my own life, in this country, and as President, I have learned that our identities do not have to be defined by putting someone else down, but can be enhanced by lifting somebody else up.

        They don’t have to be defined in opposition to others, but rather by a belief in liberty and equality and justice and fairness.

        And the embrace of these principles as universal doesn’t weaken my particular pride, my particular love for America — it strengthens it.

        My belief that these ideals apply everywhere doesn’t lessen my commitment to help those who look like me, or pray as I do, or pledge allegiance to my flag.

        But my faith in those principles does force me to expand my moral imagination and to recognize that I can best serve my own people, I can best look after my own daughters, by making sure that my actions seek what is right for all people and all children, and your daughters and your sons.

        This is what I believe:
        — that all of us can be co-workers with God.

        And our leadership, and our governments, and this United Nations should reflect this irreducible truth.

        Thank you very much.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Fortunately Obama is gone and his chosen successor Hillary is also gone. Now we can concentrate more on our own country and taking care of our own people. Many of us are not ot interested in your globalization. This is why we have elected President Trump. Peter, have a nice day.

      • .
        T-Rump, who earns the majority of his wealth from Russia, is the the person you believe cares about you in the US, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        Hahahahaha.

        No, seriously.

        Hahahahaha.

        Keep chug-a-lugging that Konservative Kult Kool-aid.
        .

      • .
        As the opening article describes, T-Rump followers like you, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, are in your own, unreferenced, false world, using words to mean whatever you imagine, accusing anyone of anything without regard to reality.

        Though you try to make “globalism” a nasty word, it is not, it is still generally accepted as meaning “the operation or planning of economic and foreign policy on a global basis”, and any fool can try to pretend that they are not on this globe, interminably intertwined with everyone else.

        Any fool, such as John Tanton, T-Rump and his administration of John Tanton beliebers …

        … and @disqus_VGin9JoY2jdisqus.
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      • LILIBETH

        Your boogie man doesn’t frighten me Peter. The sky is not falling. Have a nice day

      • .
        Uh-huh.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        This is the United States of America Peter. We are a nation, not the world.

      • .
        Uh-huh.

        So?

        No point?

        Or do you want to end all trade and tourism and treaties and pacts and travel and migration and communication with non-US entities and people?

        Re-read our founding and definitive documents ( if you ever read them in the first place ).

        Does anything of consequence spin around you and your opinions, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus?

        Again, we’re caught in a loop of you saying, extra-legally, that you don’t like what other people do.

        And I keep reminding us of our Constitution.

        Wash, rinse, repeat.
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      • .
        … and please quote anything from my posts that supports your claim that I am a disciple of anyone, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, then we can discuss something specific.

        Otherwise, you are just mindlessly fɑrting just to hear yourself fɑrt.
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      • LILIBETH

        Your talking points condemn you Peter….read them.

      • .
        And somehow you cannot quote a thing from me that supports your accusations, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        You are thoughtless and baseless as ever.
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      • LILIBETH

        I don’t need to go back and quote your hysterical babble. You jave mmafe youself plain. Reality about white people’s diminishing numbers is nothing but white supremacy to you. The facts mean nothing to you. You are into the homosexual marriage stuff that is nothing but perversion. We know that you’re into killing unborn children and calling their lives a choice. You stated these things repeatedly.

      • .
        … and yet you cannot quote anything from me to support your assessment of me, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        Aside from perpetually being in the wrong thread, I presume you have no idea who you are writing to anymore, as if you ever did, what with just spray-painting your Konservative Kult Kool-aid wherever you go, regardless of the original purpose of any thread on which you land.

        Blunderbuss.
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      • LILIBETH

        I don’t need to requote your babble Petey. You quote your own Boogeyman , the sky is falling stuff enough for both of us

      • .
        “… requote …”

        However, if you do not cite your source, there is nothing to discuss with you, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, because all you’re sharing is your unarguable personal opinions, beliefs not based on fact.
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      • LILIBETH

        The sources are cited within the Articles themselves. If you would read the articles you would know where they came from.

      • .
        The one article you shared from the conservative think tank had nothing to do with John Tanton‘s cascade of Nazi-sympathizer monies to generate plans to repopulate the US with a white majority in order, supposedly, to insure white rule, and the cascade of his decades of influence into the T-Rump administration, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.
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      • LILIBETH

        The fact that you believe in your white supremacist boogeyman is your problem Peter.

      • .
        At least this thread is now full of specific references for anyone to follow, especially Google and anyone brought here in the future by expensive Google searches.

        Thanks, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, for motivating a wealth of research references about racist white supremacist white nationalists taking over our executive administration under T-Rump.
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      • LILIBETH

        LOL…. the sky is falling Pete. There is A WHITE SUPREMACIST hiding behind every bush. People of color are afraid walk outside these days. What would we do without you to protect us? We are so NOT grateful.

      • .
        Not behind Bush who called racist white supremacy white nationalism sacrilege against US credo, promise, and contract, but behind T-Rump, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus …

        … and YOU voted for T-Rump, someone who denied black people access to rent in his apartment buildings.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Thank God we have a President willing to be the President of our country and not the world. Now maybe we can pay attention to our own people.

      • .
        … except

        — “son of a birth” football players,

        — Puerto Ricans,

        — our LGBT population,

        — women with flat chests ( T-Rump dismisses them as unable to be “10s” ),

        — women in general if they don’t want their pυssies grabbed ( his words ),

        — soldiers caught or killed by the enemy,

        — and their families,

        — anyone who has health care insurance under the ACA laws,

        … and on and on …

        Just who do you think T-Rump cares about in the US, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus?

        Oh, rich white folks will be getting a tax break if T-Rump‘s plans work.

        Is that what you mean?
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Identity politics at it finest. Dem motto….divided we fall!

      • .
        Yes, T-Rump was a Democrat until Obama.

        Then, out of hate for black people, T-Rump switched to be Republican, where he could advance the identity politics as listed above, where T-Rump does NOT support US residents, but divides them into, as you say, identity politics, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, partly because he hates “other”, and mostly to get his bigots to the ballot box.
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      • LILIBETH

        Oh gee Petey I used to be a Democrat!

      • .
        … and did you switch because you hate black people too, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus?
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Lol…. The true haters of black people are those that try to keep blacks on the Democratic plantation so that they can use them as voters. I live in a white liberal Paradise where Democrats Thrive. Unfortunately minorities don’t thrive here.

      • .
        I’m sure there’s a lot to investigate to understand whatever it is you are experiencing.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Democratic turnout was undeniably weaker in 2016 than 2012 among African-Americans —mmmmm BUMMER. Looks like you have some work to do. Is this the reason you keep screaming about your white supremacy boogeyman? HEY MAYBE YOU CAN GET MAXINE WATERS TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT. PELOSI COULD BE HER VICE PRESIDENT. NOW THAT’S A DREAM TICKET FOR YOU….

      • .
        You are unable to read, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Dream on Petey…

      • LILIBETH

        I know death when I see it Petey.

      • LILIBETH

        Lol….Your white supremacist Boogeyman isn’t doing very good at depopulating the non-white population of the United States.

      • .
        Follow the references in this thread and read everything before thinking that you can outwit John Tanton with you numb and naive “boogeyman” dismissal, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Fortunately I don’t need to outwit your white supremacist Boogeyman Pete.

      • .
        … while the black population gets gerrymandered out of existence as having any voting power …
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Congratulations Pete, you have those Democratic talking points down very nicely.

      • .
        Math knows no politics or talking points.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        The math is what got President Trump elected.

      • .
        I thought you mentioned so many other things got T-Rump elected.

        Did the wind just blow through your whistle again?
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      • LILIBETH

        Everything boils down to the math. Enough people across this nation rose up and threw out over 1040 Democrats since 2009. It culminated in the election of President Trump for President. Congratulations!

      • .
        … and the circus continues, dancing in it’s own elephant dung.

        At least our system of government has some limits on idiots in power.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        I’ll have those niggers voting Democratic for 200 years.”

        PRESIDENT JOHNSON

      • .
        If you wish to join the dead, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus …
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Fortunately LBJs plan lives on. Blacks are on the Plantation still.

      • .
        You have absolutely no idea the context of the quote, and who was devaluing and trying to disenfranchise black people from equal citizenship.

        Swing with eyes wide shut, fingers in ears, sweet chariot.
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      • LILIBETH

        African Americans support the Democratic party in exchange for welfare benefits and other handouts, that the Democratic party cultivates black welfare dependency in order to keep black voters firmly in their camp, and that the liberal establishment through either incompetence or cynical calculation frustrates the the aspirations of black Americans in critical areas such as education, family life, crime, and economic mobility. That is a mostly accurate assessment of the Democratic party’s side of the relationship — Lyndon Johnson’s crudely expressed machinations have indeed come to pass —

        PRETTY ACCURATE QUOTE!

      • .
        Without specific factual references, that’s just asshole opinion, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus, not worth airing or wiping in public.

        Why do you NOT think that blacks OWN the Democratic party, considering that Barack Obama is the head of the Democratic party?

        Why do you NOT think the Republican party is a bunch of white-racist black-haters, considering that T-Rump is the head of the Republican party, a man who denied blacks access to his rental properties, and attacked President Obama virulently, and switched from the Democratic party to the Republican party because he could not forgive the Democratic party for allowing a black man to become the leader of the party?

        Yeah, I’m asking you real questions, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.

        Try answering one.
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      • LILIBETH

        In other words you have no answer.

      • LILIBETH

        If our government really had limits on idiots in power Congress would have been fired a long time ago. Thank God for Trump! The idiots are being exposed daily.

      • LILIBETH

        Sorry for you Pete, the non-white population of the United States is not shrinking at all. It is a well-known fact that the non-white population is increasing – not decreasing. So then your Boogeyman must not be having much success.

      • .
        Thank you for understanding their panic, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.
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      • LILIBETH

        Yes Pete, thanks to you the black population of Chicago is sleeping much better tonight.

      • .
        Wow.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        You hand out propaganda and call it fact. That’s your problem Petey.

      • .
        Again, quote ONE thing from me that you believe is propaganda, then we can discuss, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.
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      • LILIBETH

        Your white supremacist propaganda doesn’t work Pete. You crazies as lost the election and that’s it.

      • .
        “Propaganda” is generally defined as untruths repeated so often that people start to believe them, like the Germans claiming the Polish were stupid by creating Polish jokes, LILIBETH.

        However, this thread is now full of specific accurate references for anyone to follow, especially Google and anyone brought here in the future by expansive Google searches.

        Thanks for motivating a wealth of research references here about racist white supremacist white nationalists taking over our executive administration under T-Rump.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Yes Pete we know the sky is still raining white supremacists. Thank you for alerting us to this truth.

      • LILIBETH

        Your accusations are a joke Peter as are you and your white supremacist hysteria.

      • LILIBETH

        Amen for President Trump. I don’t blame you for being angry Peter your leftist agenda is under attack.

      • .
        But you did not say anything in your ( non ) reply, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus.
        .

      • LILIBETH

        Lol…

      • LILIBETH

        Fortunately you heard me loud and clear Peter.

      • .
        Your posts are just baseless opinion, @disqus_VGin9JoY2j:disqus .

        No references.

        I already know your opinion.

        Repeating it offers nothing.
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  • RadioUranus

    Not since Jim Jones have we seen such a charismatic leader.

    • LILIBETH

      Not to worry about Obungler is gone.

  • Jacquelyn Prince Kennedy

    Standing….tear in my eye… long… slow….clapping. Bravo, my friend….sniff….bravo….