Two Million Reasons Why Republicans Look Completely Foolish

boehner-sadIt’s a brand new year, but don’t think for a moment that’s going to change anything when it comes to out of control right-wing ignorance.  The elections of 2012 should have taught them that their radical shift in policies doesn’t line up with the feelings of the majority of Americans — but it did not.  In 2013, we saw Republicans (Ted Cruz and others) actually shift more radically right, believing that the tea party needs more influence, not less.

Their basic “logic” being that in 2012, Mitt Romney lost because he wasn’t conservative enough.  Yeah, that’s why.

And with 2014 being an election year, you can only expect the ridiculousness of the GOP to continue.  In fact, I predict it reaches all-time highs.

That being said, Republicans are betting big on negativity toward “Obamacare” being the catalyst for taking full control in Congress.  And, to their credit, it seemed like a good plan early on.  The website was a disaster at launch and initial enrollment numbers were atrocious.

Republicans were falling all over themselves bashing the Affordable Care Act at every turn.  Hell, they were giddy.  October’s enrollment numbers were horrific.  Only about 106k people had signed up for health insurance through Healthcare.gov and Republicans couldn’t repeat those numbers enough.  I thought Fox News was going to go off the air, replacing their normal scheduled broadcasts with just a still image of how low October’s enrollment for “Obamacare” was.

Suddenly though, you don’t hear much about enrollment from Republicans, do you?

Maybe that’s because, through December, 2.1 million people have now enrolled for health insurance through exchanges created by the Affordable Care Act .

Oh, you’ll hear some conservatives come out and say, “But that’s still below initial estimates and projections fall short of the 7 million they had hoped to sign up by March!”

Granted, it’s below estimates — for now.  There are still quite a few experts who not only believe 7 million enrollees is obtainable, but numbers might actually exceed 7 million.

Here’s what you say to those Republicans: “Coming from a party that promised WMD’s in Iraq (and found zero) then said the Bush tax cuts would balance the budget (when in fact our national debt doubled), you might want to rethink attacking someone else for results being slightly below what they had initially projected.”

And let’s not pretend like Republicans are innocent here.  Their blatant lies and fear-mongering about “Obamacare” have created such doubt about the truths pertaining to the healthcare law that quite a few Americans are still very hesitant to sign up for health insurance through the marketplace.

Funny how that works, right?  Republicans spend years (and billions) blatantly lying about “Obamacare,” then brag about poll numbers that show Americans are unsure of the facts about the law or haven’t signed up for health insurance because they strongly oppose the law — strong opposition that’s based on lies they’ve been told by Republicans.

Republicans cause a problem, then blame someone else for the results.  That’s basically been their motto since as long as I can remember.

Oh, and I almost forgot, that 2.1 million doesn’t include the 3.9 million who’ve gotten access to health care thanks to the Medicaid expansion.  So, for the mathematically challenged, that’s 6 million Americans who have health insurance thanks to the Affordable Care Act, with millions more still to come.

I really hope enrollment surpasses 7 million by the end of March.  Not just for the success of the Affordable Care Act, but just to see Republicans make bigger fools of themselves trying to attack the law.

Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • Qwertyy650

    Allen Clifton for president!

    • Bine646

      this is why everyone shouldnt be allowed to vote

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        name ONE tea party/regressive crybaby republican who will be a good PRESIDENTIAL candidate–and please include some “policies” that candidate espouses

      • Bine646

        LOOK WHO IT IS, follow me much. What does that have to do with Qwertyy650 saying “Allen Clifton for president”

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        I asked a simple question,,,,,, I didn’t reply to HIM: I asked YOU an easy (??) inquiry—of which I see U remain avoiding ….. PLAY with me!!! who– in that deplorable “party” would YOU consider the best viable alternative —and add policies please– to a potential Hillary/ Elizabeth warren ticket?

      • Bine646

        I dont think the repubs have had a clear cut candidate emerge yet- some are saying Rubio ( i dont think so) while others are saying it could be Christie. Christie may beable to beat Hillary solely bc the democrats have botched the last 8 years. I am interested to see how bad Hillary bashes Obama- seeing as she has already distanced herself from him.

        Christie may be able to tackle our budget issues, he erased 11billion by initiating spending cuts- something we could use in this country. Look at recently the healthcare website- overbudget 4 times and we still had to bring in outside sources to fix it- who knows what the number is now. Green energy was also a bad investment, we need to wrangle these in- especially when we are running a 17trilliondollardebt.

        Christie is pro-life, something alot of people can get behind- now he has exceptions so be easy. Also have to agree with his stance on gay marriage.

        Now do i agree with him blocking medical marijuana laws? No, but i do agree with drug treatment instead of jail- this is something the feds need to start implementing. Saying is one thing, lets see it Holder.

        As for education- he wants reform on the tenure program which is great. Alot of teachers obtain this then begin to ease their teaching- we need more accountability in our schools. He is all for that- as he says- “public education is failing and needs reform”.

        Healthcare- he believes in mandate free reform- which as anyone who believes they are a free american can get behind. Immigration reform, is not opposed, willing to work to allow citizenship for all- aslong as they take the necessary steps.

        That being said- I am hoping to see an independent candidate emerge. Maybe one like a Gary Johnson but a more influential candidate. Someone who can not only spur interest in their platform but also donations. It is very hard for independents to secure donations- which is necessary to compete with the two party system today. Ohh yeah, Christie wants to limit the donation of PACs too- another good thing

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        Christie is ( on paper) the ONLY GOP (???) candidate who can run with Hillary. Problem is the tea party will try to destroy him in the primaries: the reasons don’t need 2 be expanded upon here. The BIG question is: will the backers of the tea party cretins back Christie? or: is he not BIG BUSINESS enough ? The ACA will be a rode in the dem’s re-election narrative as it is better and is gonna help many many americans– I know some staunch Obama haters who signed up and sheepishly say its terrific. Benghazi is a nothing issue: the economy is stabilized and moving ( slowly) forward. Unemployment receding. wars ending– repubs have their hands full trying to “inform” America how THEY can IMPROVE what is being improved: bush policies/debacle isn’t far enough away in memories.

      • Bine646

        Sheepishly say its terrific when it has fully taken affect yet? Look at the number enrolled in medicaid/care vs private- even a surfer like you can do the math, these programs were unsustainable before- look at them now. Mandates have been pushed back, law has been changed already- more will come.

        Unemployment is still over 7%- higher than any number bush put up. Look at our deficit- still over 600billion- higher than any number bush put up. Look at the increase in consumer goods- decrease in family wealth and increase in debt- all this has led to no economic recovery- now the feds will start to slow their bond buying- wonder how that will go.

        Wars ending? where exactly? Afghanistan- where the population of taliban and alqueda are growing daily? As we enter conflicts in Libya and South Sudan- not to mention Egypt…righttttttt.

        You just live in a fantasy land huh, ignore all the data- put your emotional spin on it- ignorance is bliss- cut your hair victor, your going on 60 yrs old

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        sorry,,,,,,,, we ( soldiers??) are in Libya and Egypt ???? wow– mustve missed that– cut my hair??? NOWAY— I like to piss off alopecial crybabies who wish they had what I look like at any age!! unemployment shrinking,deficit shrinking,,,,, dependence on foreign oil? shrinking– the decrease in family worth is the spawn of Reagan and bush policies. PERIOD– as the wealthy get richer. PERIOD. bond buying slowing? YAAAAY!!! my portfolio ( RENN/ RICK/ FB/ TSLA/ BIDU/ just bought GLD at 115.17 just before Christmas) will continue to fatten! Fantasy LAND? great!! ITS 68 DEGREES AT BEACH today and no clouds: azure ocean and my employees are covering my weekend so I can scuba at key Matecumbe with Katherine ( my gal) so PLEEEEEZ tell me about reality?? PLEASE???
        Basketball today-later-at LA fitness with the young Nubians and then OFF TO THE SOUTHERNMOST PART OF THE U.S.A.!!! Do Enjoy your disgusting life in that unctuous part of the planet U pollute ( reside)

      • Bine646

        You musta missed it bc you are clearly a moron- egypt is one of the biggest recipients of funding- we rigged their election n then they over thru the guy we got in- Morsi. As for Libya, sudan- look it up. Our marines were deployed to these regions well before we made it public knowledge.

        You look like a single grandfather who likes lizards and is a linecook at a strip club- should cut it guy.

        I had to reread you post 3 times to begin to comprehend the run-on asinine sentences that you have constructed- you dont live up to any stereotypes hahahahaha

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        hey small dicked balding overweight small man,,,,,,( gian keys 175 lbs on 5’10 curly Q) U retorted WARS which means soldiers –from our county– on the grounbd., LIBYA??? EGYPT?? Im waiting,,,,,sudan? a handful ( 150 ma) of peace KEEPERS in that broken country ???
        why not met me and attempt your crybaby mocking me? I would ridicule U so much I would make U take a crybaby swing!! ( then,,,,,, gurney for U)
        ( matecumba dull: overhead clouds but 74 degrees,,,, so atlantic here we be!!) Hows YOUR disgusting “home” dealing with crybaby weather?
        MMMMM,,,,,,,,,,, where are the f*cking grouper???

      • Bine646

        hahaha im 15- how am i balding?

        How does a 15 yr old know more about whats going on in this country than you do? And you can vote- good god what is going on with this country- your generation hates future generations huh. Just dont want us to have anything anymore huh

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        hey needledick,,,,,,, I do know that U have nothing: a man my age can abuuuuse U in the weightroom; in the surf and on a basketball court. U however are more skilled with jersey shore and avatar and computer nonsense. That translates into U being,,,,,,,, being,,,,,,,, A FUTURE generation!!! enjoy knowing U will never know what its like to be athletic; getting tons of BIG chested slim women and having enough money to go on vacation where I want when I want…
        exactly where -in what fun winter climate– are U shriveling in now???

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        epilogue: unemployment went up 76% under bush as he was handed the best economy in this nations HISTORY. Obama had a 31% increase in unemployment ( now receding back) with the near depression those great old Reagan and bush -esque policies handed to OBAMA,,,both presidencies are marked by a decline in “labor participation rate”
        ====================================
        care to argue numbers with the US treasury and the CBO??

      • Bine646

        unemployement rose 76% under bush- BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. YOU ARE SAYING 76% OF OUR POPULATION BECAME UNEMPLOYED UNDER BUSH- WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. YOU CANNOT BE THAT DUMB, PLEASE LIVE UP TO MORE STEREOTYPES- definitely a retarded surfer- go run around the strip club spewing that number hahahahahahaha

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        hey gerbil droppings—
        it ROSE to a 76% increase, NOT to 76% of population,,,allow me to attempt to give your small dicked and smaller brain a chance at simple math: READY?? if U have a dollar and I give U 76 cents,,,, what PERCENTAGE did your net worth grow?
        IKNOW I KNOW— we ignorant surfer weightlifter basketball self employed dishwashers are really SILLy when it comes to FACTS………..so: can U mentor me on exactly what F*CKING percentage GW bush had in his rise in UN employment during his 8 glorious America-destruction administration?? lemme know– I need to be enlightened by crybabies who have no money/ no sex/ no physique/ no life

  • Pipercat

    I asked, do you have a dog in this fight? Meaning, were you one of those poor, poor persons that lost your bullshit policy and now you have to choose one through the exchanges? Are you covered now and if not, how long has it been since you were covered? If you need coverage, have you even bothered to check out the site now and the ancillary sites that tell you what your out of pocket will be? If no to any of these questions, piss off and go stand up for Phil’s right to parse bigotry into religious freedom. This is serious business that affects me on a personal level. If yes and you have reservations well, read below.

    There were horrible issues at the beginning where my first application became corrupt in the system. By December 1st, a magic button appeared the finally reset my application to square one. 20 minutes later, I chose my fabulous Aetna plan; ten days later the paperwork arrived; I paid my first month’s premium just before Christmas and now, as of today I’m covered in a PPO that already has my doctor in their network. Things will attend to themselves if allowed to do so…

    • Charles Vincent

      I would call bullshit… I want to see the cost and deductible on your policy before I believe you got something affordable. And secondly and more importantly I do not believe your case would be in the majority.
      I saw my friends policy and it was not even close to being affordable as it was on the order of being twice what he previously paid and had an out of pocket cost close to three times his previous policy. And thanks to Obama and the ACA he can only put $2500 a year into his flex account for medical costs.

      ” If no to any of these questions, piss off and go stand up for Phil’s right to parse bigotry into religious freedom”
      He wasn’t hateful or bigoted in his statement in fact he was welcoming of them even thought he personally didn’t agree with their choice.

      • Kevin Logan

        Again Charles the troll you are playing FOX talking points in your head. We cannot help your imaginary “friend” who chose to have an inferior product. Most of the insurance criminals decided that they did not wish to sustain many of these inferior policies. But I doubt there is any truth to the scenario you set as it is a common lie amongst FOX cultists. I am going to have to call bullshit!

      • Charles Vincent

        I would hardly call it fox talking points to say I saw with my own eyes my personal friends health plan and if you had any real brain power you know that the ACA caps spending on flex accounts you sir are to puerile to read the actual law to know it isn’t a talking point. The only Bullshit here is what came out of your proverbial mouth when you typed that reply.

        For reference;
        http://www DOT groom DOT com/resources-705 DOT html

      • dagobarbz

        ” you sir are to puerile…”

        Imma go there. Spells ‘puerile’ correctly, uses wrong ‘too.’ Tch son. Spell check doesn’t catch that kind of illiteracy.

      • Charles Vincent

        ooohh noooeess the dreaded grammar Nazi I am dooomedd. It’s a grammar error not illiteracy. Typical liberal Cant refute the argument so they level ad hominem attacks like 5 year old children on a playground.

      • dagobarbz

        It’s not that so much as the people who responded to your Fox-flavoured silliness before me did a great job of refuting your ridiculous demands. Spelling errors are all they left me, nothing but bones with all the meat gnawed off.

        Now, back to those refutations, if you please…

      • Charles Vincent

        neither they nor you have refuted anything you and they have only resorted to Ad hominem attacks which do not refute my argument. Grow up and learn how to debate.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        brilliant comeback from my fave loser guy,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, brilliant!!
        place a photo of your less than aesthetic self,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, steatopygous and alopecial

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        when ( IF?????) your crybaby party has an alternative– a VIABLE working alternative to the ACA U can post: the insurance companies #1 jobs is MAKE MONEY- which means screw the commodity ( people ) as often as needed to MAKE BIG PROFITS>. the ACA now forces them to actually INSURE– a bizarre concept isn’t it!?

      • Charles Vincent

        Uh Republicans had an alternative which coincidentally was the predecessor to the ACA but the party dropped it because they knew it was a bad idea to try and foist it on the public at large.

        UH I dont need to have an alternative to call the ACA a piss poor law and a poorly implemented one at that.

        People aren’t the commodity The insurance policy is the commodity in this instance and people are the consumers of that commodity(and forced to be Consumers at that). If we were talking Labor people would be the commodity that produces the labor

      • Bine646

        Guy is a line cook at strip club in south florida- he doesnt even know where to begin to find the law let alone read the thousands of pages. He has trouble getting thru our 2 paragraph posts- ignorance is bliss

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        independent contractor with THREE clubs kitchens–all the same company owned– stocked with my slaves ( NEE: employees) allowing me to be at beach today in 68 degree weather with no clouds and an azure ocean. My radically perfect health mocks that law- I don’t mind paying a minor “penalty” as I make great money————————– “will that have fries with your Cajun sandwich?” (NOTE: I hate hate hate 100% cash income,,,don’t UUUU?”)
        POOOOOR lil bine…… shitty looks; shitty income,,,totally shitty location in winter to “live” in!

      • Bine646

        next you will say- im a food engineer- nugget

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        you? engineer? naaah: U are too busy with quotidian onanistic behaviors while wishing,,,,,,wishing,,and knowing nothing happens in your jejune life

      • Bine646

        god you cannot read huh- i said you will say you are a food engineer- no wonder you havnt read the ACA yet- it doesnt have enough pictures

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        hey stoooopid…………if u would’ve ITALICIZED the sentence — ” im a food engineer” it would be proper English syntax. Care to dispute that? Or should I draw some images 4 u?

      • Bine646

        hahahaha not make excuses for your ignorance, just admit you made a mistake- hard for folks like you to do that huh

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        hey brainiac,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, English lexicon avoid U still?

      • Charles Vincent

        Well my mission is to put out factual information, in effect I lead them to water its up to them to drink it.

      • Bine646

        You havnt even read the law- why are you trying to comment on it? Can you even read?

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        I have splendid health,,,,,,,,,what Law are U referring to? OHYEAH- that law which pisses U off!

      • Bine646

        hahahah you are such a queerbate- how can a guy who makes me laugh so much, bc you are a joke victor, piss me off?

        You are my puppet- like a pet that follows me around. a really old pet with long hair

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        enjoy your curls and skinny frame ,,,,,, and try to earn some type of viable income. Let me know if U would like to meet me ( yeah right) so U can see exactly how I can run circles around U financially; physically and intellectually—
        ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but: U haven’t got the moxie or anything else- crybaby gian curls Anthony weiner look -a-like

      • Bine646

        what the hell are you talking about? who has curls puppet? when you gonna start collecting your social security grandpa

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        u have no pics,,,,, U have no money; U are “employed” at best,,,U get no quality females,,,, ergo U cry–
        I look better than U do– and will even at 80- that is how in athletic U are,,,,
        cry cry cry,,,,,,,,,,,,,,MMMMMMmmmmm,,,,, cry some more please?

      • dagobarbz

        Wasn’t the ACA initially crafted by Romney or ilk?

        So why all the bawwing?

      • Charles Vincent

        No the Romney-Ryan plan was different. The democrats borrowed heavily from the republican version in the early 1990’s(heritage foundation I think) that preceded hillary-care.
        Edit they may have borrowed from the Romney-Ryan plan though.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        “Hillary” care,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        nice to see the Freudian slip there little crybaby

      • Charles Vincent

        Dubbed Hillarycare see reference;
        http://en DOT wikipedia DOT org/wiki/Clinton_health_care_plan_of_1993

        The press dubbed it Hillarycare in 1993-94 when the Clinton’s tried to push healthcare reform.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        im perplexed as U don’t mention romneycare,,,,,,,
        Hmmmmm,,,,, too successful?

      • Charles Vincent

        “Edit they may have borrowed from the Romney-Ryan plan though.” in my post above to strayaway

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        then I ask U remain consistent: why do U NEVER cry about romneycare/ just the aca? peculiar to me; akin to complaining about peanut butter but not peanuts

      • Charles Vincent

        Romney care is a non issue much like Hillary care. I dont like any of them for many reasons. The ACA is a giant cluster%#[email protected]&^.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        yep— and far far better than what DID exist,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and far far better than all of those ( invisible) alternatives the white trash crybaby tea party scum has listed as THEIR health care( insurance) reform

      • Charles Vincent

        You still dont get that its a gift horse to insurers and big Pharma lol;
        http://www DOT youtube DOT com/watch?v=n_IODlKV4Ow#t=46

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        not all of them,,,,,, that’s why they are crying: now they actually will have to take care of sick people

      • strayaway

        Try Liz Fowler a former Wellpoint VP if you are looking for an architect. That, according to Senator Baucus. Liz has since left Sen. Baucus’ staff to return to the corporate world. As the outline was written by a former insurance company lobbyist, we can rest assured that insurance company interests are well served.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        the regressive rightwing crybabies are funded by the medical insurance companies,,,, ergo they don’t want this!!! It forces them to ” INSURE”

      • dagobarbz

        It’s always “I saw my friend’s *.* with you people, isn’t it. Never first-hand knowledge, just some bullshit I know a guy who knows a guy crap. But do continue, you’re funny.

      • Charles Vincent

        Since when is seeing his Insurance policy and its cost in premium and deductible not first hand knowledge? That’s right it is first hand knowledge but that’s how you liberals operate deny deny deny then lie or ignore proven facts.

      • Pipercat

        Quite the fan club, dude…

      • Charles Vincent

        I recently read the how to book “How to win friends and influence people” :~)

      • Pipercat

        too funny…

      • Pipercat

        You always look sideways instead of from above. Remember, I use pure cynicism in regards to nontroversies like the duckheads.

        Since this is the internet, I an not going to divulge too much personal information, but I will share this:

        TX Aetna Classic 5000

        It’s a silver plan on the federal exchange. Knowing nothing about your friend, all I will say is this plan is great for Schedule C filers…

      • Charles Vincent

        Touche well played.

      • christian_928

        I’ll call bullshit on you. YOU provide some proof of yOUR allegations before demanding it of anyone else. Wait, what? You cant? Of course you can’t. You’re probably an imbecile living in his mommy’s basement railing against the unfair world that just won’t recognize your genius. Get a life loser.

      • Charles Vincent

        OOO ad hominem is an admission of defeat. Go diddle your mom you inbred mouthbreather this thread is old news like 4 months ago.

      • Charles Vincent

        Mouthbreather they don’t allow links. Your post has been deleted.

  • Veritas vos Liberabit

    Those on the far right cannot fathom the fact that the majority of Americans not only elected our first African American president not once, but twice. Before Obama’s first inauguration, the goal of these extremists was to make him a one term president. We saw an increase in Conservatives /Republicans signing Norquit’s pledge and an increase in Tea Party recruitment. When that goal failed, an increase in obstructionism/sabotage of every Obama’s proposals began to occur. Rafaél Ted Cruz seems more infatuated with “cultism” than politics. This has been manifested by covert microaggression behavior by extremists from the far right claiming religious status by hijacking the Christian religion for their own personal gain, power and control over others who are different and have different views. I agree that this behavior will get worst during the course of the remaining of Obama’s presidency. We have already seen some control over females, those with different sexual orientation. and even those with different religious beliefs. For as long as the GOP allows these extremists to dictate what they can and cannot do, our Country will see more division. The ball is in the GOP’s park.

    • Charles Vincent

      Well where do you draw the line a federal judge ruled that Laws on polygamy are unconstitutional… and what about people marrying animals, or Child porn? Where should society draw the line?

      • Kevin Logan

        Charles stop playing the Cult of FOX talking points in your head. Number one polygamy has nothing to do with the constitution. That point out of the way. As for people marrying animals, are you as ignorant as O’Riley? Do you not understand mutual consent? As for child porn….. Only a pedophile would bring that up. Makes one wonder.

      • Charles Vincent

        You should probably pay closer attention Chief;
        http://www DOT bing DOT com/search?q=federal+judge+ruls+laws+on+polygamy+uncontitutional&form=U147DD&pc=U147D
        It has nothing to do with ignorance it has to do with where do you draw the line do I need to break out the crayons and draw you a picture moron?

      • republicans are evil

        you draw the line at animals, multiple wives, and children inbred, dumb fuck asshole. sorry your prolly not on here anymore your back to looking at kiddie porn….

      • Charles Vincent

        Take a long walk off a short pier douche you’re too ignorant to get the question I proposed to OP.

      • dagobarbz

        You’re part right, but multiple wives are none of our business. If everyone consents and doesn’t need public assistance to fund their litters of offspring, I see no reason to ban polygamy. And by ‘consent’ I do not mean ‘sell your virgin daughters to your old buddies in your church.’

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        hey chuckles,,,read my above post if U cannot elicit a response from others

      • Chris Muir

        You can’t marry just anyone of the opposite sex, you can only marry someone who consented to marry you. That rule still applies to gay marriage, too. Animals and children cannot give legal consent, so marriage isn’t an issue – and marriage doesn’t legalize spousal rape, so even a “child marriage” would not permit statutory rape.
        As for polyamorous marriage, it would require fully informed consent from all parties involved, which in turn would keep it rather rare.

      • Charles Vincent

        You have apparently never been to Colorado city Utah. Parents in a couple cultures consent to arranged marrages for children so consent doesn’t seem to be needed. Even in our country children 13 or so married in the earliest times of the colonies here. And since consent isn’t always “needed people could marry animals or children with the consent of the parent in the child’s case. Sorry but I have to play the devils advocate even in the bible people married as children I believe.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        the useless–then as now– bible. a book written by drunken sheepherders fomenting garbage just as they do today———- true VOODOO and superstition

      • Charles Vincent

        Useless to who? you? Pretty much every western law originates from the laws written in the Bible(i.e. The ten commandments). Please remember more people believe in god than don’t.
        http://en DOT wikipedia DOT org/wiki/Codification_%28law%29

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        hey imbecile,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I have read the bible and the tao and the bhagavad gita as well contemporary books such as “: conversations with GOD” ( welsch) and “varieties of religious experience” ( james) so when U read as much as I have U will be permitted an opinion of MERIT— your shitbag bible kills women for marrying NOT as virgins,,,, those great 10 commandments send me to hell for invoking GODS name in vain yet MENTION NOT rape as evil,,,,,, GOD aint “BIBLE” and GOD certainly isn’t some dead bag of shit HUMAN such as Christ or Buddha or mohammed———— but scum such as you want ME to acquiesce to YOUR VOODOO/superstition ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, not a F*CKING chance pal

      • Charles Vincent

        Where did i say you had to believe anything? That’s right I didn’t. you wandered off in to the twilight zone Chief, stay on topic and couch the anger its turning you in to a babbling moron. I read plenty and I dont need your permission to formulate an opinion of my own. The fact still remains that western laws derived from the laws in the bible i.e. Thou shalt not kill=murder is against the law, thous shalt not steal= theft is illegal etcetera. Get the line of logic?

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        its a cherry picked logic————– U and your ILK state that the BIBLE is some near perfect ( some shitbag religious trash claim it 2 be perfect) book which all laws can be administered from. I knew U didn’t read such hefty literature of the ages: U probably read crapo from today ONLY and make an opinion on what YOU like– here is the bottom line: RELIGION is for shitbags who don’t DARE think: they like to follow and be TOLD what is….. RELIGION is a tool for control and profit. History has proven that as incontrovertible. Care to argue logic??? THOU SHALT NOT KILL? tell that to the billions who have violently died at the hands of religion and GODS “love”……………… thou shalt not steal???? that’s really a good one,,, how about using some invisible GODs name in vain????? I really really would like to meet your pathetic ass alone,,,,,, but it wouldn’t change anything other than make U cry more

      • Charles Vincent

        BWahahahahahahahahahahaha you cherry picked wahhhhh you used right wing faux news wahhhh grow up already. OOOOHHH threatz on the Intarwebz I is Scurd really man that’s pathetic almost as pathetic as your blathering about how awesome your life is and all the women you bedded….

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        another brilliant response from a freshly disarmed cretin

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        when it hurts children — VOTING is what this country is all about: if gay marriage is VOTED in…its in. If weed is legalized,,,its legal. If kiddie porn is voted OUT- its jail time. If the ACA is a law— so be it. Why do shitbags TRY to repeal it knowing they cannot? VOTE IN the persons to REPEAL it,,,,, until then– CRY. SOCIETY -in our country– VOTES to “draw lines”………not a perfect system but its what we have so learn the RULES and adhere to them,,,, I personally think polygamy should be legal. If people want that headache let them do it. If idiots want to smoke weed/ do cocaine/ drink alcohol/ eat white flour/ pay for sex/ gamble on events/ go to a house of VOODOO( see: TAX free churches) then this is America—————- just do NOT include me unless I want to go

      • Charles Vincent

        So if Child porn and marriage of children were voted in you would be OK with it?

        ” then this is America—————- just do NOT include me unless I want to go”
        I wouldn’t dream of forcing anyone to do something they didn’t want to do.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        ask me that irrational question when it happens.—This planet still “marries” children— I don’t need porn and I don’t waste time with younger ( above 18) chics as I have f*cked hundreds in my life; I like women MY age range.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I smoked a lot of weed in my teens and early 20’s…………….. now that it is * ( soon to be) legal will I smoke it? absolutely not– but I will pursue what EVER it takes to be licensed to sell it as a business. You need to try better to showcase your social incompetence———-

      • Charles Vincent

        The question is no more irrational that that of gay marriage or polygamy.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        in your myopic stultified view— tell me LOGICALLY why gays cannot marry???? or why multi men and women cannot marry? consent is all that matters

      • Charles Vincent

        False premise I never said they couldnt I asked a question “Where do you draw the line?” and then I framed the scope of the question by examples. Is that clear enough for you Gemmaliar?

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        I already answered that—— is that clear enuff4U? I said the line is drawn by VOTERS– U crybaby shitbag regressive bemoan the laws of America ( constitution ET AL) yet when that is NOT favorable to your circular “argument” U just cry and obfuscate,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, U are a guy I would LOVE to meet–alone— and exchange pleasantries with a lack of speaking— but I just have 2 see U bravely hide behind a computer

      • Charles Vincent

        Apparently you missed the boat Gemma they redrew the lines for abortion polygamy and gay marriage which was the essence of my question. where do you draw the line?

        “U are a guy I would LOVE to meet–alone— and exchange pleasantries
        with a lack of speaking— but I just have 2 see U bravely hide behind
        a computer”

        Says the guy posting on a computer lol my door is always open Gemma and my lazy ass needs some ring time anyway lol.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        pompano beach,,,,,, I am at LA fitness at ne 38 st daily( nights weekly) and EVERYONE knows me,,,,,,,,,,,, so if/when U can afford the luxury of a south florida excursion please come play dentist with my teeth

      • Charles Vincent

        ehhh I am afraid I would be a horrible dentist… just saying.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        my offer stands ad infinitum

      • dagobarbz

        I reckon these things will never be “voted in,” so this is just one of those empty questions people throw out just to be saying something. “I’M HELPING!”

      • Charles Vincent

        People said that about the polygamy laws too please keep up with the conversation.

      • dagobarbz

        Still way ahead of you Chuck…

      • Charles Vincent

        right…. still chasing your tail I see. And still no real argument.

      • dagobarbz

        There is no argument. What the hell is wrong with you and your marrying dogs and children bullshit? It’s not an argument, you’re just parroting the bigots. Why you wanna support the bigots, Chuck?

      • Charles Vincent

        Nope I was asking the question you just cant grasp it and there is an argument and its the same argument as gay marriage or polygamy or abortion it isn’t my problem you had a brain fart and went full retard when I asked the question and proposed examples to frame the question. I haven’t espoused support for anything, you read into my question and somewhere in that pea brain of yours came to the conclusion the question I posed made me a bigot.

      • dagobarbz

        You know those insults about being too stupid to breathe?

        Jeez dude, talk about a run-on sentence. Breathe, man! Breathe!

      • Charles Vincent

        People communicate via complete ideas. I related a complete idea no more no less.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        self related– reminds me of WILE E. COYOTE: GENIUS ( self titled)

      • dagobarbz

        The line is there, charles. It’s called ‘consent,’ and only another human adult can give it.

        Can a child or a dog consent to sex? No. Not legally, and probably not in real life. Animals can’t consent. Children can’t consent.

        You starting to get it yet?

      • Charles Vincent

        You missed my point I guess I need to get out the crayons and draw you a picture.

        “Not legally, and probably not in real life.”
        Polygamy wasn’t legal for quite a long time neither was abortion or gay marriage, your contention that legally children cannot consent is dubious considering the laws that are being struck down. likewise animals give consent they choose to follow a person or not, that’s fundamental decision making. There are also laws banning sex with animals but that doesn’t stop the donkey shows in Mexico. You fail because your brain is stuck on stupid. This question deals with a bigger scale than you or I. I am talking on a large scale societal level sorry you missed that subtle difference.

      • dagobarbz

        You apparently cannot comprehend a lot of things about this issue. THE LAW IS THIS: you cannot enter into a relationship with a child or a dog. Following you is not the same thing as having you tear them a new corn chute, buddy. I’m surprised you can’t see the difference and you seem to think being followed is agreement for sex.

        So you keep your crayons to eat or shove up your nose. Pretty sure you’re not capable of wielding them as directed.

        And I am talking about US law, not some slippery peripheral about “large scale societal levels.” That’s cute and polysyllabic, but ultimately meaningless. You have devolved into name calling so I think we’re done here.

      • Charles Vincent

        I think you cannot comprehend things Chief
        you said “THE LAW IS THIS: you cannot enter into a relationship with a child or a dog.”
        Well son the Law used to ban abortion, the law used to bad Gay marriage, The law used to ban Polygamy and guess what due to shifting societal norms those thing are now OK i.e. now not against the law. Hence the question I posed and framed with child marriage and bestiality examples

        “You have devolved into name calling so I think we’re done here.”
        Really? Aren’t you just the hypocrite today you might want to look at your own post wherein you resort to AD hominem attack on me in this thread.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        hey schmuckface: the law EITHER IS,,,,,OR IT IS NOT
        comparing those two is as comparing “dinosaurs USED to RULE,,,,,,,NOW they DO NOT”
        ( ooops,,,,,,, logic befuddles crybaby chuckie)

      • Charles Vincent

        I think your limited cognitive skills prevent you from grasping the simple concept I was speaking of.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        anytime U wish to have a state certified IQ test I will pay U 50K cah if yours is higher; U pay me 5K cash if mine exceeds yours,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, care to partake; O EINSTEIN? state of florida: monies escrowed and released upon certified results.

      • Charles Vincent

        Still missing the boat I see.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        benighted comebacks rule thy misanthropic persona

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        ok,so whats your sideways point? We here do know that VOTING–take 2014 for example– mandates/dictates what is law or is repealed by the “voted in” legislating. abortion is legal in America. having more than one married partner is technically ILLEGAL in all states but 2 states rarely prosecute as their dominant religion ( there is THAT word again) financially keeps such prosecutions near extinct. Many many other countries allow it as THEIR religion ( that damn word again) allows it. Which segues into: which O which religion (!!) is correct? The answer is:::::: NONE OF THEM/ ALL OF THEM,,,,,,

      • Charles Vincent

        Well I dont know which one is correct but if you look at them you can see common threads concerning law and morality, even atheist have common ground in laws and ethics and morality. As for polygamy a federal judge Challenged the laws making it illegal and he did so on the grounds that gay marriage used, I think I posted the article link on it here somewhere. As an apparent atheist where do you draw the moral/ethical line in the sand?

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        lets try again,,,shall we? Im agnostic– atheists are as deluded as believers as THEY HAVE A BELIEF: (A) believers claim to have proof of a GOD(s) (B) atheists claim to have proof of NO GOD(s) (C) agnostics——“me”— look at all discussions and arguments and come to the most logical conclusion ; that is– whatever GOD is; GOD cannot be defined by anything as finite as MAN; GOD simply is WHAT IS: an order of the universe….the laws which are checks and balances. MAN has the bovaristic elitist attitude that HE “knows” GOD and exactly what HIS GOD wants– attacking all others beliefs
        ( I DO hope I don’t need to further this to you. if I do; U are hopeless)
        where do I draw a line??? VOTERS in this country VOTE in legislators who draw lines: as with all of REALITY change remains constant. I don’t sex animals ( some chics Ive entered have acted eerily close) I don’t sex underage; in fact I avoid women NOT in my ager range….. I don’t sex the non-consentual.
        If ANYONE wants to marry anyone who is legal; so be it.
        care to retract your “observation” of my atheism?

      • Charles Vincent

        “(A) believers claim to have proof of a GOD(s) (B) atheists claim
        to have proof of NO GOD(s) (C) agnostics——“me”— look at all
        discussions and arguments and come to the most logical conclusion ;
        that is– whatever GOD is; GOD cannot be defined by anything as finite
        as MAN; GOD simply is WHAT IS: an order of the universe….the laws
        which are checks and balances”
        This is probably one of a very finite amount of things we will agree on.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        now if I could just get you and the uninformed Obama haters to look at silly things called CHARTS and statistics !!

      • strayaway

        Can gays marry their same sex cousins? If not, why not?

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        yes they can,,,,, certain USA states allow it. wanna debate that? read ( U do READ; dontcha?) up on it BEFORE U “pontificate” here-

      • strayaway

        I was asking a question and obviously not looking for a debate since i hadn’t made a point. I was just reading that Illinois allows gays to marry same sex cousins but only if both partners are over fifty or one is medically certified to be sterile. Let me narrow my question since you know of states in which gays can marry their same sex couples. Which states?

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        look it up online,,,,,,,,,,,,, that’s what I do

      • strayaway

        I did look it up. That’s how I found out about Illinois (strayaway 1, mighty tegu 0) but the one article that suggested that there were three states in which gays could marry same sex cousins would not open. That’s why I asked you since you claim to know; something I am beginning to doubt. Maybe someone else knows the answer.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        I didn’t look it up as I didn’t find the acquisition of said knowledge beneficial to my selfish self.

        I remain steadfast in asserting that marriage should be allowed to all consenting adult humans in this country. Everyone deserves the ‘pursuit of happiness” or what EVER vested interest marriage has beckoning for certain individuals. caveat emptor
        ==================================== your scorekeeping is home cooking at its dubious “finest”

      • strayaway

        You suggest that you can’t back up your bs claim. No surprise there.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        I said STATES said its ok,,,U asked which ones: I said look it up,U cried that I SHOULD KNOW as I CLAIMED TO look it UP– I didn’t claim that: ergo U are uninformed/misinformed / reading is as U see fit.
        I do like how U eschewed the late part of my most recent rant— perhaps U got skewered in a ( yaaaay) marriage??? poor fella: “caveat emptor” arrived too late 4 u?

    • dagobarbz

      I’m pretty sure the obstruction was intended to give the first black President a bad record for the history books.

      With that in mind, it makes no sense for the Democrats to run a woman next term. We really, really need to get some work done. We can’t afford to play this game twice in a row. Or three times, if you count Obama’s two terms.

      If you thought they were uncooperative with a black president, just wait until one of those walking baby factories takes office. The shenanigans haven’t even begun to begin!

  • rossbro

    Cruz, Ryan and Paul should be run outta Dodge on a rail. They represent no one. Attention seeking jerks, all.

    • strayaway

      Rand Paul is now suing the President and the NSA over spying on Americans as a violation of the 4th. Amendment. No wonder you despise him.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        well; he needs fresh attention for 2014 as Christie just lurched ahead in visibility,,,,,, suing the president? can U say ” useless/costly litigation”??

      • strayaway

        “mighty” Tegu, The Bush and Obama administration’s attacks on the “useless” 4th Amendment aren’t going away by themselves. Let’s not forget PauI’s successful filibuster against the overuse of spy drones either. As a defender of the Bush/Obama expanding police state, Paul wouldn’t be your candidate. Senator Leahy might work for you though but only if you disassociate from Obama. I read Leahy’s letter yesterday to the NSA asking if it was spying on members of Congress. The response, if any, should be interesting knowing that Snowden might have some follow up information. In this matter, Leahy and Paul agree and are at odds with you and the President.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        why am I grouped ( by U ) with an “attack” upon the 4th amendment? I re read my above post– seems U got sidewinded (again) as I simply stated that scumbag rand paul was creating/grabbing needed attention so his ego can run 4 president in 2016.
        Ya might wanna try to wipe your ever flowing tears and READ stuff b4 U post

      • strayaway

        Why? First, you dismissed Paul’s suit to unwind the NSA as “useless/costly litigation” and second, I thought you were a supporter of President Obama who, like Bush, has a history of attacking the 4th. Amendment.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        only a short amount of time will show if (!!) rand pauls litigation is another tea party show which drains the pockets ( for the “good” of a tea party fiscal conservative) of US taxpayers. I support anyone who alters the destructive policies of Reagan /bush/bush. Obama? totally incomplete; flawed as all administrations are. He has sent us –in spite of confessed HUGE republican obstruction— in a much better direction socially and economically–

      • strayaway

        So how are we going to get Obama and his NSA to stop invading the privacy of non-suspect Americans? If someone besides Rand Paul conducted the same class action suit, would you still oppose it as a drain from taxpayers? The fact remains that Sen Paul and Leahy are on one side of these police state issues while Obama and the NSA is on the other. I mentioned Senator Leahy’s approach and you didn’t comment on that. How is the massive spying on Americans, more than under Bush, better for us socially or economically? Socially it sounds like what East German police could only have dreamed of. Economically, the CEO of Cisco and other high tech US companies are losing a lot of foreign business because of the NSA snooping.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        look at the numbers and stop FOX “news”-ing. This country was gutted by Reagan/bush/bush policies; Clinton righted the ship/ Obama now TRYING( succeeding slowly with all that regressive republican “help”) to do same; numbers do not lie–
        numbers do not lie. Don’t waste my time here “filibustering”————- go argue with the dow/nasdaq/ corporate profits( my portfolio also!!!) and go argue with the CBO and US treasury numbers. Cry some more,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I don’t care if the govt spies on me: I do nothing ILLEGAL except drive fast and run red lights ( at BEGINNING of light; not end) so cry some more.
        Let the GOVT read my messages to my girlfriend and my friends. they will yawn: im dull 🙂

      • strayaway

        As usual, no facts but a lot of unsupported cliches. Enjoy your servitude. “I don’t care if the govt spies on me: I do nothing ILLEGAL” . Orwell warned us about people like you. Thank you for making my point. Even Leahy and Kucinich would be ashamed of you.

        No, numbers do not lie. $7T, 7%, 5M etc. but certain politicians and their hired hands lie – not that the Bush policies have appreciably changed.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        the outcome is a battleship turning: slow and inexorable. Republican POLICIES– and they have nothing new– are to be eschewed at all costs

  • Charles Vincent

    ” 2.1 million people have now enrolled for health insurance through exchanges created by the Affordable Care Act . ”

    And how many of those were direct medicaid enrolls? Who don’t pay a dime and need paying healthy people to support the system?

    • boB

      “Oh, and I almost forgot, that 2.1 million doesn’t include the 3.9
      million who’ve gotten access to health care thanks to the Medicaid
      expansion.”

      Try reading the entire article before forming an opinionated remark.

      • Charles Vincent

        I did read the article and they expect an “additional 3.9
        million” medicaid enrollments that doesn’t tell one how many of the 2.1 million are medicaid enrolls. Oh and I almost forgot please check your reading comprehension. But for reference;

        http://www DOT eclectablog DOT com/2013/12/obamacare-friday-update-430k-private-enrollments-1-6-million-medicaidschip DOT html

        http://www DOT youtube DOT com/watch?v=79kPa0p9sRI

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        did it mention the crybaby repub governors( not all; many are coming on board) who are screwing THEIR people by NOT doing the med expansion?

      • strayaway

        boB, ry to go beyond the talking points. “Health and Human Services says 3.9 million people have been deemed eligible by the states for Medicade and Chip between October and late December, but it’s unclear how many of those are new enrollments thanks to Obamacare. The total figure includes both renewals and those who would have been eligible under prior law, officials said.” -ABC News

        ‘Deemed eligible’ is not the same as ‘enrolled’.

    • strayaway

      Yes but under the (un)ACA, Medicare funding received a 14% cut at the beginning of 2014, the maximum allowable under (un)ACA law, to help shore up the sinking financial fortunes of the (un)ACA. Home health care visits also received a hit. Fortunately, at least three new taxes come into effect in 2014 to shore up the (un)ACA. Some of the 5M who lost their policies will also be forced to buy (un)ACA policies to bring up those success numbers and have any policy at all. Remember that if you like your present policy and doctor you can keep them. That’s more true now because the President has used his dictatorial powers to rewrite the law.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        yep,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and we are eagely awaiting the triumph the tea ( atrophying) party will garner in 2014
        ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, shall that be rand paul or teddy bear cruz?? maybe allen west and joe walsh will RE appear!!!

      • strayaway

        Fear Not! The Democratic champion will probably be Hillary; fierce advocate of the Iraq War and second oldest president ever if elected.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        and following her jes’ might be eliz warren,,,,the rightwing republican financial “machine” will really want that—
        NOTE: oldest pres was the alzheimers bum who sent our deficit—and especially our DEBT– spiraling
        ,,,and that silly iran contra stuff!

      • strayaway

        Do you mean following Hillary in 2020 or 2024? I think that Warren is being a bit overrated although I sometimes like her rhetoric. Her idea of reform was to put the consumer protection bureau underneath the control of the federal reserve which is owned by big banks. The idea of regulating one’s owners and being outside the reach of Congress isn’t going to work; well, maybe as a placebo but not as an actual reform.

        Hillary will be right up there in age with Reagan. She already looks worn. Her Arab Spring advocacy was almost as much of a US foreign policy disaster as her support of Bush’s Iraq War.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        repeat slowly after me,,,,,,,,,,,,,
        HILLARY 2016-2024; Warren 2024 – 2032
        ================================
        tea party? whig(ging) out

      • strayaway

        OK, HILLARY 2016-2024; Warren 2024 – 2032, Chinese ownership 2033- Actually, i shouldn’t be so harsh on Warren, aside from pretending to be an Indian and her idiotic support for a consumer protection bureau controlled by bankers, her rhetoric is sometimes hopeful and inspiring.

        Here, I’ll just throw this in to inspire you to wear a “Hillary” button:

        “Intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort and sanctuary to terrorists including Al Qaeda members.” -Senator Hillary Clinton (BushIV), October 10, 2002.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        wow– she is a republican? or maybe she was BRIEFED by the same scumbag liars who wanted war so Halliburton ( SEE: cheney and CO) could financially capitalize. NOTE: killing Hussein opened the way for IRAN to become big pests again as saddam –for all his scurvy– was the deterrent in the region against iran with his huge arsenal of tanks,,,, thank U bush cheney for re opening that black hole which troubles us now.
        china 2033? better than the whigs ( tea party) as Chinese food is superior en masse to southern scumbag greasy shit ( Im a self employed chef,,,reeee-member??)

      • strayaway

        So you’re saying that personal responsibility, “the buck stops here”, doesn’t apply to Hillary either. Some in Congress were able to see though the maze. Hillary wasn’t one of them. Then there was her advocacy as Secretary of State, of the “Arab Spring” a disaster for US foreign policy. At least Hillary is consistent at directing us into one mess after another. Under Republicans or under her own leadership, it makes no difference. Hillary is just another war mongering corporatist. Recently, Hillary urged Congress to support Obama when it considered whether to approve a military response against Assad.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        that jes’ may be! but————- if I-and America- has to VOTE for SOMEONE Im not voting for a lying crybaby regressive tea party creep with no TRUE policies

  • Ckernzie

    I’ll add one more. Ted Cruz has not yet renounced his Canadian Citizenship even though it is a very easy thing to do. Guess he really does like universal healthcare after all.

  • Stephen Barlow

    It’s not their motto, it’s their MO. As in how hey perpetrate their crimes.