Wait, What? Bill O’Reilly and Karl Rove Say What Liberals Have Been Saying for Years

rove-oreillyThough they’ll never admit it, an exchange between Bill O’Reilly and Karl Rove on “The O’Reilly Factor” echoed exactly what liberals have been saying for years.

First, they covered the notion that Republicans have no real leader.  Rove dismissed this by saying the lack of leadership is a natural result of not controlling the White House.  That might be somewhat true, but there’s also too many Republicans spending their time in office essentially preparing for a 2016 presidential campaign (Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, for example).  So not only do they not have a real leader, they have “leader wannabes” who are helping divide their party.

This is something many liberals have said for years.  The Republican party wants Democrats to take them seriously, yet their party seems to have multiple psychotic personalities — and we never know which one we’ll be dealing with.

O’Reilly also hit Rove on the Republican opposition to “Obamacare,” basically saying that the Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus really has no power and that’s made it easy to paint the GOP as “the party of no.”

He reiterated a thought liberals have been saying for a while that while Republicans have spent years bashing “Obamacare,” what alternative have they proposed?  It’s easy for someone like Ted Cruz to stand there and say something like, “The only fix for Obamacare is a full repeal,” but I’ve yet to hear the Texas senator (or any Republican for that matter) offer any real and viable alternative to the Affordable Care Act.

O’Reilly was exactly right on both accounts.  It’s clear the tea party runs the base of the Republican party, not the RNC.  And since 2008, when Republicans took on their long political strategy of “whatever President Obama supports just do the opposite,” their entire party has stood for absolutely nothing.  As far as health care goes, their basic plan is, “Return to what we had before” which would mean discrimination based on pre-existing conditions, health insurance companies being able to offer plans which only offered the illusion of health care coverage and millions of Americans being dropped from their parents insurance because under the old rules they would now be too old.

That’s basically what the entire Republican party wants, since they’ve offered no viable plan to the contrary.

Rove didn’t really disagree, saying that the Republican party does need to campaign on what they stand for instead of just what they’re against.  This is also something liberals have been saying for years.  Well, to be fair, Republicans have stood for plenty of the same worn out policies we had during the Bush administration.  But you’ll have to forgive me — I don’t call “going back to the same policies that led us into the worst recession in nearly a century” an actual plan to be taken seriously.

I just found the whole exchange a little amusing considering these are talking points liberals have been using for years that many Republicans have flat out disagreed with.  Yet here’s a prominent right-wing media figure as well as a leading GOP strategist basically saying the very same things.

Funny, if this was Rachel Maddow interviewing someone like Bill Clinton and they said many of these very same things — it would be trashed by people like O’Reilly and the right-wing media as “liberally biased garbage.”  But now that it’s been discussed on the “fair and balanced” Fox News, I’m sure many conservatives will actually finally believe it.

Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • BigTBone

    Cut to the chase and find out who ALEC, AIPAC, NRA, Freedomworks, Heritage, Grover, Koch, Adelson and every other sleazy PAC out there wants to foist on us and get the clown car fired up.

    If dems were smart, they’d be starting the 2014 positioning now based on the inaction and EXPENSE the yahoos on the right have incurred by sitting with thumbs up their ass for 5 years. Lots of salary/bennies for very little work. And Pablo Cruz still owes us billions for his shutdown.

    • Slap your face

      Very insightful T-Bone. Obama’s so-called recovery included the longest period since the Great Depression with unemployment above 8%, 43 months, from February, 2009, when Obama’s so-called stimulus costing nearly $1 trillion was passed, until August, 2012. It also included the longest period since the Great Depression with unemployment at 9.0% or above, 30 months, from April, 2009, until September, 2011. In fact, during the entire 65 years from January, 1948 to January, 2013, there were no months with unemployment over 8%, except for 26 months during the bitter 1981 – 1982 recession, which slayed the historic inflation of the 1970s. That is how inconsistent with the prior history of the American economy President Obama’s extended unemployment has been. That is some fundamental transformation of America!
      His use of the IRS and other gov’t agencies to spy on Americans and our allies will be cause to try him for treason.

      • jdunaway65

        “Obama’s Unemployment?”

        You mean the unemployment that started under the Bush Administration, which Obama has tried to at least “put a dent in,” and has managed to do SOMETHING (though not as much as we all would like) even though the Republicans in Congress have done everything to prevent?

      • Village Fool from Kenya

        Your way of thinking is archaic. Obama’s approval rating is in the dumps and its not entirely the fault of Benghazi, ACA, or his inability to understand foreign policy.

        No one believes the “Bush fault” nonsense anymore. Mainly because Obama has had chances to fix things and he hasn’t and now it’s a republican minority that caused it?

        He cried wolf too often and squandered his opportunities:

        turned out to be broken promises or cold-hearted lies…

        #1“If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what.”

        #2“My administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in government.”

        #3“We agree on reforms that will finally reduce the costs of health care. Families will save on their premiums…”

        #4“I don’t want to pit Red America against Blue America. I want to be the president
 of the United States of America.”

        #5“We’ve got shovel-ready projects all across the country that governors and mayors are pleading to fund. And the minute we can get those investments to the state level, jobs are going to be created.”

        #6“And we will pursue the housing plan I’m outlining today. And through this plan, we will help between 7 and 9 million families restructure or refinance their mortgages so they can afford—avoid foreclosure.”

        #7“I will sign a universal health-care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American and cut the cost of a typical family’s premium by up to $2,500 a year.”

        #8“We reject the use of national security letters to spy on citizens who are not suspected of a crime.”

        #9“For people with insurance, the only impact of the health-care law is that their insurance is stronger, better, and more secure than it was before. Full stop. That’s it. They don’t have to worry about anything else.”

        #10“We will close the detention camp in Guantanamo Bay, the location of so many of the worst constitutional abuses in recent years.”

        #11“Allow Americans to buy their medicines from other developed countries if the drugs are safe and prices are lower outside the U.S.”

        #12“We will revisit the Patriot Act and overturn unconstitutional executive decisions issued during the past eight years.”

        #13“Will ensure that federal contracts over $25,000 are competitively bid.”

        #14“We reject sweeping claims of ‘inherent’ presidential power.”

        #15“Will eliminate all income taxation of seniors making less than $50,000 per year. This will eliminate taxes for 7 million seniors — saving them an average of $1,400 a year– and will also mean that 27 million seniors will not need to file an income tax return at all.”

        #16“We support constitutional protections and judicial oversight on any surveillance program involving Americans.”

        #17 “If we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home, we will end this war. You can take that to the bank.”

        #18“Will not sign any non-emergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five days.”

        #19“The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.”

        #20“We have a choice in this country. We can accept a politics that breeds division and conflict and cynicism…. That is one option. Or, at this moment, in this election, we can come together and say, ‘Not this time….’”

        #21“We’ve got to spend some money now to pull us out of this recession. But as soon as we’re out of this recession, we’ve got to get serious about starting to live within our means, instead of leaving debt for our children and our grandchildren and our great-grandchildren.”

        #22“[T]oday I’m pledging to cut the deficit we inherited in half by the end of my first term in office. This will not be easy. It will require us to make difficult decisions and face challenges we’ve long neglected. But I refuse to leave our children with a debt that they cannot repay – and that means taking responsibility right now, in this administration, for getting our spending under control.”

      • rasslor56

        Blahblahblah and the Fox Noise talking points drone on and on, drone.

      • Dani

        So the fault is not that of the person who burned the forest… Problem is that Obama , in reforesting the disaster didn’t get the trees to grown to maturity instantaneously? So your response is that we need an arsonist back?

      • Guest

        Whaaaat!!??

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        *headdesk* Yer a special kind of stupid, eh?

      • Guest

        Huh !!??

      • Reynard Vulpes

        Obviously you are a conservative.

        Let me explain what a metaphor is.

        No wait, I think I’ll just leave you to wallow in your ignorance.

      • Michael Slattery

        You are wrong. Most reasonable people are aware of what’s been going on and approve of O’s handling of the economy, what little he’s been able to do, anyway. Most folks realize the real estate mess is still an issue and there is no magic pill.
        His ratings ARE in the dump because of what’s happening with the ACA right now. So much time was wasted trying to repeal an imperfect new system rather than tweak it and get the bugs out. Going back is unacceptable and the Party of NO! offers no alternative.

      • Jerry Allbright

        The flaw in your flawed logic is the cooperation of Congress which, as we know, has the least productive record of any Congress in American history. Imagine if you will what could have been accomplished had RepUGHblicans like yourself deigned to put the good of the country ahead of the good of themselves, their rich donors, and their corporate overlords.

      • voncile

        I shudder to think what America would look like today if the Republicans like myself had not held the breaks on this egg-sucking liberal Senate!! God help us if we don’t get the Senate back under sinceable conservative control in 2014 and 2016. America as we know it will be gone forever and our kids and grandkids will all be living under Sharia law!!

      • IQdaRadical Thinker

        Please…just shut up…the more you talk, the stupider you sound.

      • rebmoma

        Thank you. I’ve never seen a more complete list of Republican interference. I believe it is ALL Bush’s fault (Cheney, Rumsfeld, Reagan helped, and Boehner, McConnell, Cantor, Ryan and Cruz continue the fine tradition) because that is how deep the hole is Republicans have dug for us the past 40 years. Sadly, I do not see recovery in my lifetime unless there is a revolution. I’m disappointed to see what we have allowed the negative forces to do and what we have to leave our children. I hope the next generation is wiser, but I’m not sure we’ve left them the tools.

      • rebmoma

        You’ve never actually watched Rachel Maddow, right? Or, are you allergic to fact?

      • Mitch Augustyn

        I remember the 600,000- 800,000 job losses a month. What does it say for a president that leaves after 8 years and has a private sector job loss of 657,000. Did manage to leave a surplus of Government jobs of 1.8M in which 600,000 jobs which has been shedded since Obama took office. I remember the stock market dropping from 14,000 to 8,000 in a year and it dropped 500- 800 points a day in Fall of 2008 and gas prices drop from $140 to $40. Unless you have no experience with business it is all supply and demand and since there was no demand no one was buying.

      • voncile

        Great post. You have been paying attention. I’ll bet you will not get one single dumbacrate to refute one single point. But you can bet your bippy they will be on here slinging mud and lies!!

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        Uh, I think there has been plenty of refuting here.

      • voncile

        Not refuting…. only slinging mud and lies!!! BTW, I didn’t expect the dums to know the difference!

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        Keep telling yourself that. And take your meds.

      • IQdaRadical Thinker

        You and your playground insults are PATHETIC.

        When you decide to come out of your parent’s basement…no, wait…that will never happen.

        You conservatives love putting up eagles and flags to prove your patriotism, when in reality, you’re a bunch of illiterate traitors who want your country to fail.

        People like you were tarred and feathered back in the day.

        Sadly, you’re so easily led and stupid that you’re not worth the effort.

      • strayaway

        The Country is failing under President Obama. The overpriced non-working crony produced website was a great metaphor but five million people losing their health insurance was a bigger problem. When that became too unpopular, the President assumed dictatorial powers and rewrote the law so insurance companies could break it selling old policies that did not meet all he new expensive regulations. He came off as a liar in the process. Republicans tried to delay implementation of part of the bill and the President did a shutdown. Then the President did what the Republicans wanted to do. Go figure.

        I appreciate your schadenfreude touch about tar and feathering people. I have also noticed self-righteous happiness expressed by some on this board about those who lost their insurance. Maybe you should get together with them to tar and feather Americans who lost their insurance because of the (un)ACA.

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        What “failing?” Stock market hits record highs. Unemployment 7.0% down from a high of 10% in October 2009. You complain about at $70 million website (ignoring the historical fact that Medicare D had the same problems when it started) but don’t say anything about $24 billion lost because the GOP shut down the government? Slate today reports 1 million people have signed up for ACA.

        What is preventing the people who lost their insurance from getting new insurance? That’s the part I don’t understand. Have they been banned from obtaining new coverage???

        Before ACA, people lost their insurance all the time because they actually used the benefits. Or because the employer couldn’t afford it anymore. or because the insured died and left his wife (most common scenario) with no health insurance.

        My wife had a small business policy in the 1990s. Aetna acquired Prudential, the company that issued her policy, quadrupled the premiums and then cancelled all small business policies in Illinois two months later.

      • strayaway

        You’re right, the stock market is d0ing great as a result of the Fed creating another bubble printing $85B/month and dumping it into the economy. That’s one of the reasons the 1% are doing so much better than the rest of us under Obama. If the bubble lasts long enough, perhaps some of it will trickle down.

        I’ve read between a $200-667M website. Maybe $20M is what it would have cost if someone competent had set it up. “Signed up” is not the same as “enrolled”. How may have enrolled vs. picked a product to put in their shopping cart? Even if 1M had enrolled, 5M lost their policies because of this law and 5M is a bigger number than 1M. Some of the 1M were probably part of the 5M. I read the results of a study, this morning, that claimed the federal government has , so far, spent over $14,000 per person actually enrolled in an (un)ACA policy. Of course, some of those are fixed costs so the price should come down but will remain a reason for which I prefix the (un)ACA with “(un)”.

        If the only selling point for the (un)ACA is that insurers can’t refuse applicants because of pre-existing conditions, a compromise might make sense. Just keep that part of the law.

        I just had my State Insurance Commissioner’s Office write a letter to my insurance company which resulted in my insurance company seeing things my way. i am no friend of insurance companies. However, I’m skeptical that the same insurance companies are going to act better when they sell (un)ACA policies.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        translation: MY portfolio has gone up 77% ( thank U PCLN; RICK; BIDU; FB – pissed I waited and bought at 26.64 instead of earlier; BUT-) and I love what the market has done-in addition to my 2010 purchase of a short sale ( luv our south florida rising home equity prices),,,, Insurance? who cares! Im healthy and will pay the silly “penalty/tax”—— its better than the decay of republican policies – starting with saint Reagan– which cornered America into near depression. ” trickle down economics/ ultra sound for abortive women/ no equal pay for women/ no equality for gays/ WMD etc”……………. you can keep that destruction and regression ( see: conserving archaic ideals) I like Americas progress…………….. and fuck religion: it has crushed all of mankind since its inception

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        republicans shutdown government ( as a show of republican care of America) and STILL have NOOOOOO alternative to anything. as YOUR president so colloquially expressed: ” please continue; Gov’na”

      • strayaway

        I thought that Obama refused to negotiate. That would put both sides mutually at fault. In fact, in the second go around, didn’t Republicans demand that some of the (un)ACA deadlines be postponed? Obama refused and the government consequently shut down. Then, fast forward a month, Obama found himself losing popularity as the (un)ACA stripped 5M Americans of their health insurance so he issued a dictatorial edict that a couple of major provisions of the (un)ACA would be delayed a year which, I think, was what he shut the government down for when the Republicans tried to get him to do it. Some people have short distorted memories.

      • Jan Civil

        Refused to negotiate standing law by a process outside of lawmaking. Yeah, he’s a real tyrant isn’t he. You buffoon.

      • strayaway

        Sequestration was also standing law. It’s nice to be able to pick and choose standing laws.But getting back to your point, how was making a new law to improve an existing law “outside of lawmaking”? Instead, Obama acted as a dictator again waving waved his imaginary dictator wand to postpone aspects of the (un)ACA until after the 2014 election.

      • voncile

        Your post gets filed in the ‘only slinging must and lies’ folder. LOL.
        And, apparently you thought I was worth the effort of a reply! 🙂

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        Yer not but it’s still fun.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        and,,,,,,,,,,,,we here in center and left wait–with baited breath—to any and ALL reforms in policy U crybaby regressive white trash will put forth!! maybe tax breaks for wealthy??? going after abortion rights? lets start a war overseas and kill American soldiers!!!

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        Sorry, it is still Bush’s fault and will always be Bush’s fault. You don’t get a pass for your mess just because time has elapsed.

      • strayaway

        Wrong. Truman disagreed.

        “The buck stops here”.

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        It shoulda stopped with Bush but he dumped it on the next guy, who has done an admirable job of stopping the hemorrhage.

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        Uh, the deficit has been cut in half.

        FY2009: $1,413 billion
        FY 2010: $1,294 billion
        FY 2011: $1,300 billion
        FY 2012: $1,087 billion
        FY 2013: $973 billion
        FY 2014: $744 billion
        FY 2015: $577 billion

        FY 2009 went into effect October 2008, BEFORE Obama was elected.

      • strayaway

        I have to keep reminding you that the 2009 base line, Bush’s last budget, included the following, “A 2009 CBO report indicated that $245 billion, about half of the excess spending, was a result of the 2008 TARP bailouts. Spending increases and tax credits resulting from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 accounted for another 200 billion of the budget deficit. Also known as the “stimulus” package, the bill eventually added $831 billion to government spending between 2009 and 2019.” -wikipedia

        Let’s not forget that Senator Obama voted for TARP and added the $831B to Bush’s 2009 budget.

        Of more importance is what we owe and that includes $7T of debt that Obama added to the $10T of debt accumulated under the first 43 presidents. We are now $17.3T in debt and President Obama is likely to run that number up to $20T by the end of his sorry reign. And now Democrats are singing “Happy Days are here Again” even though unemployment has been 7% or more for 60 continuous months under Obama. Pathetic.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        correct me if I am in error here::::: your stultified “post” extrapolates into YOU want the republican ( Reagan/ Bush1 / bush 2) policies back as alternative to obamas policies ( which have been hindered at EVERY turn by regressive rightwing repubs)??? shall we bring the republican mantra back??? lemme know

      • strayaway

        No, I was addressing suburbancurmudgeon’s post based on the 2009 Bush budget which was spiked by Obama, pointed out that Obama was a continuation of Bush, and that Obama will indebt our youth more than Bush. I didn’t even mention Bush 1 or Reagan. So to answer your question, I think that Bush 2 was a warmonger and spendthrift and that Obama will be understood as more of a continuation of Bush than a contrast. Wars, overspending, helping the one percent, and the expansion of the police state are the legacy of both Bush and Obama.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        so far there is a modicum of accuracy with that

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        The alternative to TARP was letting everything collapse. Obama’s stimulus should have been twice as big. And unemployment was at 10% in October 2009. If you bother to read, you’d understand that every economist who is worth something said unemployment would not drop to the magic 5% or so because of changes in the global economy.

        We’d all be in bread lines under a Republican president.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        there U go again,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, annoying regressive white trash republicans with FACTS

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        I try hard 🙂

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        sadly the regressive rightwing is as pliable as a tegu is to writing a symphony

      • Jim Bean

        Uh, at $577 billion, the debt grows 5 trillion every 10 years. Unsustainable.

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        The deficit is on a downward trend. Do you have any bright ideas? And do you have any idea (a) who owns the debt and (b) where we spend money? You’re either part of the problem or part of the solution. Right now, you’re the former.

      • Jim Bean

        I do have an idea. A mandatory 2% cut to the budgets for EVERY Federal agency and program. Yes, that includes the Social Security that I’m about to apply for. Follow up with the same thing the next year. You cannot tell me anyone affected cannot endure a tiny belt-tightening. But Dems will hyperventilate uncontrollably. They will march the poor children out on the stage and argue they will nearly starve. They will roll granny’s wheel chair off the cliff in TV adds. They will show houses burning down because the fire departments are underfunded and a crime wave that results from not enough money for the police departments. (All those claims would be phony of course, and politically motivated.)
        It won’t take any longer than three years before that deficit become a surplus and when that happens, the debt begins going the other way. Retailers will lower prices to compensate for decreased demand.
        Would you be a part of that solution or part of the obstacle to it?
        Thanks for asking.

      • IQdaRadical Thinker

        Talking loud and saying nothing, which is typical for you teabaggers.

      • Brent Slensker

        LOL!!!

      • BigTBone

        Skewed stats and false allegations are no way to win a presidency. This article is about your eiffel tower partners realizing there isn’t a leadership contender from anywhere on the right. Huntsman maybe… or dig up the corpse of Ronnie. (Although Obama is to the right of Reagan)

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        Uh, I think the proper reference is “ivory tower.”

      • BigTBone

        Hey shakedown street, I know what I meant! Check out Urban Dictionary for the definition… slap is the meat in the sandwich between Rove and BillO here.

        I try to be creative in the insults.:)

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        That was, uh, enlightening.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        the regressive crybabies on the right would shoot Reagan for being moderate

      • Michael Slattery

        ALL the experts said this would be a long, slow recovery. You have probably heard that before. Do you now close your eyes, cover your ears and say,”la,la, la, la, la, la, la ,I can’t hear you!
        I can’t hear you!!” ?

      • charleo1

        First, shouldn’t you at least compare apples, to apples?
        The 80/81 recession was less than 1/2 as severe. Plus,
        in 80/81, our manufacturing base was largely in tact. As
        was the financial sector. And Reagan had several other
        important advantages not afforded to President Obama,
        going in. First, interest rates could be lowered. The rate
        Obama faced was less than 1%. Reagan was allowed
        to increase the Federal payroll. Which he did by 250.000.
        President Obama, on the other hand, was forced to cut
        the Federal payroll, by 500,000. Reagan, had a recession.
        But he didn’t have the amount of his predecessor’s debt,
        or two hot wars, going thru money, like a knife thru butter.
        So, Reagan spent profusely on his recession, only half
        the size, and scope of Obama’s. injecting cash into the economy, and creating the jobs that attend that kind of stimulation. Lots of military expenditures, and public works, The top tax rate was 50%, so he lowered it. He also raised
        it again, when it became necessary later on. Before ideology ruled budgets. And Grover Norquist owned the Republican Party. And, as all but the modern day T-Party would expect, that combination of tax cuts, and spending, substantially increased the debt. But, Reagan’s cooperative Democratic Congress, understood economics. And how the Country had dealt with economic downturns in the past.
        Another thing President Obama was unfortunately denied,
        has been any cooperation whatsoever, from the other Party.
        President Reagan had a Congress controlled by the opposition, that could have blocked each and every one of Reagan’s initiatives, if they were concerned that a GOP President would get credit for turning around a recession,
        and thus, hurt their chances in the next election. If they had, who knows, Reagan’s recession might have lasted 5 years
        too. But, you can be proud of every one of those stats you
        rattled off. A good deal of Republican effort has went into
        you being able to say all those things. So, congratulations
        are in order, all around!

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        Uh, you are using facts. The right don’t need no stinkin’ facts.

      • Mitch Augustyn

        Yet somehow Obama has unemployment lower than when he took office while the Republicans fighting job bills from day one. Something that Bush could not say. Republicans make the messes and Democrats clean them up. When was the last time a Republican left the White House with the country not in a Recession. Reagan did a good job doubling unemployment and bring unemployment to the highest ever since the depression in 1982 at 10.80%.

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        The poor economy sunk GHW Bush’s re-election. Remember him running around in that cigarette boat while unemployment was 7.5% (which seems rather quaint now)?

      • Mitch Augustyn

        I remember him bailing out the S & L’s at a cost of $700B. Like Father like son and leaving the country in another recession and getting us involved in another war. Ironic how Republican administrations always leave the White House with unemployment in 7%- 8% range although Eisenhower it was 6.6%. Unemployment is still high yet much lower than when Obama took office some George Bush could never boast.

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        And do you know WHY that happened? A global meltdown and globalization. We told everyone else to act like us and they did. So the recovery would never have been as rapid as before.

        And if you are going to try him for treason for “spying on ‘Muricans and our allies,” you’re going to have to have Dubya join him. The spying has been going on for a very long time. Don’t spend much time out of the bubble, eh?

        “Bush Lets U.S. Spy on Callers Without Courts” NYT December 16, 2005.

      • getoffmylawn

        Slap, since you’re an obvious expert on labor stats, you are aware, are you not, that one reason employment stayed so high was Republican sabotage, correct? I mean when they starting shutting down government agencies and laying off employees, yes? You are obviously aware that layoffs of government employees virtually matched private job growth during 2009 and 2010 pushed by Republicans to damage the economy and worsen unemployment stats, correct? You are also aware that GOP leadership set as their number one priority making Obama fail and keeping him from winning re-election, correct? I mean, since you’re and expert and everything.

    • Jim Bean

      Those billion will mean nothing next year when we’re talking about the trillions Obamacare is going to cost us that we weren’t told about.

      • MadMan

        Sorry but every study done has shown it will cost less then originally estimated. You can present what ever opinion you want but you are not allowed to make up facts in reality.

      • Michael Slattery

        Yeah, lets not let FACTS cloud the issue.

      • Jerry Allbright

        made up “facts” are not real and therefore only “cloud the issue” for weak minded and misinformed people.

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        Show me how they are “made up.”

      • Guest

        And judging by your response, you’re as weak minded and misinformed as they come.

        Another clueless teabagger opening his mouth when grown folks are talking.

      • Jim Bean

        The original promise was that it would cost less to insure 30 million more than it would to not insure them. Call me stupid, but I’m doubtful.

      • suburbancuurmudgeon

        Simple explanation. The uninsured usually get care through the emergency room which is the MOST expensive and inefficient way of doing it. Obamacare makes everyone who can purchase insurance and extends Medicaid eligibility to those who are really poor. Try doing some research. Obamacare is also self-funded, unlike the unfunded Medicare D mandate.

        Obamacare Funding: Where the money comes from and where it goes. http://www DOT alignamerica DOT com/node/62

      • mandate

        OK. You’re stupid. Feel better now?

      • Jo Clark

        You’re going to be so sad and butthurt when I tell you that ObamaCares is already coming in with lower costs than originally anticipated. Don’t you read any real news? Keep up! Google! It’s not that difficult, if you can drag yourself out of your ObamaHaters Club, aka “The Bubble”, once in a while.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        if/when it does U may post: until then U sound /read as a schill of FOX ” news” white trash crybabies

      • Jim Bean

        Not you again!? What are you this time? A brain surgeon with 20 years of experience? Or maybe a train engineer.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        nope– self employed chef who surfs; plays basketball and lifts weights———-just like always. —–sounds like U have sociological issues

      • Jim Bean

        You meant ‘psychological’ issues, I suspect.

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        nope—- sociological issues stem vividly FROM the problem U have internally. Care to “double down” upon anything else I “claim” to do?

      • moe/larry & curly keys

        hope U enjoy katherines tits— she 5’6 133 native American indian and French- born in Arizona. 34 DD chest- all mine ( ME HAPPIEEEEEEEEEEE)

  • rasslor56

    No. They’ll turn on him for “Bekuming a LibTard”

  • MadMan

    They are just angry because the “liberals” have had the last 3 years to point out what they really are and have labeled them correctly. They may have won in 2010 but that came with large, oozing, puss filled wounds called teabaggers. They are gangrene of the political process and they will cause the amputation of some parts of that process.

    • Reynard Vulpes

      Those of you who lack understanding of metaphor please have your ten year old sit down and explain it to you. Have pencil and paper handy.

  • Michael Slattery

    Tea Party, Libertarians, NRA and the Christian Right run the GOP – into the ground!! Big Business has taken a back seat ‘cuz hell, they run the COUNTRY, anyway!!

  • I am visualizing a congress that repeals their pay until they earn it. I demand results now.

  • Mesmerized society. The more I read debate comments, the more it sounds like the adults’ verbalization as heard in Charles Schultz’s “Peanuts” animated films.

  • ExRadioGuy15

    Wow…again, the Republicans commenting on this thread are repeating the same Fascist GOP propaganda…really, guys? Seriously? Do you have your heads so far up Frank Luntz’s ass that you have no capacity to see the truth? Wow….ssmdh…(reminder: I’m a Non-Affiliated voter who cares about the TRUTH, not party dogma…and, since the GOP are truth-averse and fact-challenged, I have a huge problem with them….and, so should you)

  • Another Guest

    They’ve turned into the Whigs, with their entire party running solely on opposition to the Obama administration, and we all know how the Whigs turned out.

  • estfar

    Funny how they just can’t get away from the truth. Teapublicans are an empty mean spirited vessel.

  • Libby

    I can’t believe I’m going to say this….I agree with Bill!!!! But nothing will change, no plan and no to everything that Dems want to do, Bye GOP 🙂

  • fairness_rules

    Good job, Alan! Your blogs make a lot of sense. Keep them coming!

  • Green_Devil

    What history will show is that from the moment Obama won the election, the GOP and teatards decided to be the Party of No and no matter what our black president proposed, they were going to oppose it, even if it was their own Heritage Foundation’s health plan. They’ve had no principles beyond “no” and not only didn’t propose any creative solutions to fix the damage to this country done by the Idiot Son President’s reckless spending and tax cuts, but actively stood in the way of any plan to fix things. In any other country they would have been dragged off and shot for treason.

  • moe/larry & curly keys

    what a LOUSY week!!!! Tom “billy jack” Laughlin died,,,as did peter o’toole and joan fontaine!!!! well loved but not as well known “tough” actress Audrey totter also passed at age 96