Wendy Davis Fights Back Against Rick Perry’s Demeaning Comments

wendydavis-on-cnnIf you haven’t heard by now, Texas Governor Rick Perry directed some deplorable comments at Texas state Senator Wendy Davis and her successful filibuster of SB5, otherwise known as the anti-abortion bill that would close all but 5 abortion clinics in the entire state.

Well, Wendy Davis decided to fight back—but with much more class than the current Texas governor.

In an interview with Wolf Blitzer, Senator Davis took the high ground with her response about Perry’s comments—though she still made it very clear what she, and millions of other Texans, think of Rick Perry’s behavior:

“I didn’t have an angry response to it on behalf of myself.  I think it just demonstrated the typical attitude that Governor Perry has expressed toward the issue.  He’s demeaned the high office that he holds by saying things like that.”

Watch the video here, courtesy of CNN:

I loved her response.  It was an eloquent jab at the current governor showing that while she wouldn’t stoop to his level, she obviously feels, just like many others, that his actions and comments are a near constant embarrassment to the state of Texas.

And Perry is determined to embarrass Texas further by calling for a second special session beginning Monday to address this anti-abortion bill once again.

While Republicans are focused on doing all they can to restrict the Constitutional rights of women, Davis made the statement that most Republicans seem to ignore in their blind push to pass these strict anti-abortion laws.

Davis pointed out that, “No one likes the idea of an abortion that’s that late.  But sometimes, women find out unfortunately later in their pregnancies that they’re facing some very serious issues, either for their own health or because there are health issues for her pregnancy.”

While anti-abortion individuals will toss out the disgusting attack of “baby killer” at the drop of a hat, I’m pretty sure many of them haven’t been faced with the decision to have an abortion or face possible death themselves if they were to carry the baby full-term.

Under this new bill, after 20 weeks all abortions would be banned.  Meaning almost all external circumstances wouldn’t matter in determining whether or not a woman would be allowed to abort a fetus.

What the bill also does is set up requirements that clinics which perform abortions would have to meet.  These requirements are so strict and over the top that most experts believe they would close down all but 5 clinics in Texas.  Meaning millions of Texas women would lose access to clinics that provide other health care services.

Senator Davis also turned the tables on Republicans by using some of their very own talking points, saying she wishes to “keep government out of the sanctity of personal decision making.”

It’s amazing how often the “small government Republican Party” advocates bigger government when they want that government to benefit their ideologies.

Something that’s always driven me crazy is when “pro-life” advocates call those who support a woman’s right to choose “pro-abortion”—which isn’t even remotely true.

I don’t think I’ve ever met an individual who likes abortion.  But what most pro-choice advocates support is for a woman to choose for herself what to do with her own body.

The debate isn’t about whether or not someone likes abortions—I’d assume the vast majority of Americans don’t.  The debate resides in the Constitutional right given to women to choose what to do with their own body.

A Constitutional right Republicans have constantly tried to attack.

I’m just glad in Texas we have courageous Democrats like Senator Wendy Davis who aren’t afraid to take on the attack against women’s rights being waged by Rick Perry and Texas Republicans.

Allen Clifton

Allen Clifton is a native Texan who now lives in the Austin area. He has a degree in Political Science from Sam Houston State University. Allen is a co-founder of Forward Progressives and creator of the popular Right Off A Cliff column and Facebook page. Be sure to follow Allen on Twitter and Facebook, and subscribe to his channel on YouTube as well.

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  • WGAF

    “Do not interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.” ….Unknown…..
    Please Governor Perry……rave on. The more he runs his mouth….the more we should ignore him….let his “diarrhea of the jawbone” speak for itself.

  • Baaly

    “Something that’s always driven me crazy is when “pro-life” advocates call those who support a woman’s right to choose “pro-abortion”—which isn’t even remotely true.

    I don’t think I’ve ever met an individual who likes abortion. But what most pro-choice advocates support is for a woman to choose for herself what to do with her own body.”

    There you go Allen. You hit the nail firmly on the head.

    Let it be known that ‘pro choice’ actually does run both ways. For example, there was a case here in Texas recently where parents tried to force their teenage daughter to have an abortion against her will. (I was also in that exact same situation, although I was 21…I have a very controlling mother!)

    Pro choice means the ability to choose what’s best for us, our bodies and our lives. It does not now, nor never will mean pro-abortion.

    My pro-choice stance comes from my personal experience. I made a personal choice and do not believe it is ANYONE else’s place to make a decision of such magnitude for me or any other woman.

  • Matthew Byng-Maddick

    One thing that you can do, Allen, like every other journalist, commentator and blogger, is to stop using the term “pro-life” to describe people such as Rick Perry and his party when that isn’t really something they stand for. If everyone starts using “anti-choice” or “anti-abortion”, then perhaps they’ll start being seen for what they are. These people (on the whole) really aren’t “pro-life” in any reasonable sense of the word. Most of them support state-sponsored executions, they support an absolute shambles of a healthcare system that serves only to drive profit, they support the cutting of any welfare programmes that are truly pro-life. This is at the same time as preaching “morals” and proclaiming what “good Christians” they are, while understanding little of the ethics taught by the book they claim to follow.

    Keep exposing them for the stance they take. They’re “anti-abortion” and “anti-choice”. They are NOT “pro-life”.

    • lessthantolerant

      Do you really believe murdering children is a choice? Why can these young whores not control themselves and prevent getting pregnant?

      • CakeHead

        You are a terrible person, and your username says all that I need to know about you.

      • angellgirl

        When they’ve got nothing else, they pull out the slut-shaming. Women who make their own choices scare lots of men.

      • lessthantolerant

        Oh yes, 400 abortions a day is a woman’s choice alright!

      • Betty Eyer

        The rate of abortions for every 1000 live births is less than 1.

      • lessthantolerant

        That justifies 400 abortions a day?

      • Betty Eyer

        I think they start with slut shaming. That’s really what it’s all about. Women who have sex should have to have children. That’s the whole story right there. They don’t honestly want birth control or sex education.

      • David K. Arruda

        “lessthantolerant
        Ultra conservative hoping for revolution!
        Right of Attila the Hun”

        Yeah… Nothing to take seriously here, people.

      • lessthantolerant

        Take the dick out of your mouth, you are mumbling.

      • Dave McCormick

        You seem to think that they get pregnant by themselves.

      • lessthantolerant

        Not at all.

      • Monkey’s Uncle

        No he doesn’t, that would require thinking

      • Keith

        Hyperbole! You call abortion “Murdering Children”, I call denying them abortion “Government forced unwanted Reproduction”. So, genius, how many of the unwanted children are you going to adopt? Or is your plan to build a “Welfare State” to support or just lots p private Corporate Prisons?

      • lessthantolerant

        Hmmmm…. interesting concepts you have offered, maybe we could have the unwanted children fed to the poor?

      • John

        You and your comments are plain out despicable, lessthantolerant.

      • lessthantolerant

        do you have a quarter? call someone who cares what you think.

      • Monkey’s Uncle

        You use payphones from 1996??? You’re more of a hick than I first thought!

      • lessthantolerant

        Come now, they still have them in SA, when I visit I have used them.

        Try and get out more.

      • Betty Eyer

        Folks, I think we have a genuine troll.

      • lessthantolerant

        betty, please try to do more than droll simpleton statements.

      • John

        Betty, lessthantolerant can’t understand that terminology….he only has a second grade education. And failed that, sorry to say. Maybe we should draw him a picture, he might understand (stretching out my index finger at the low life)

      • lessthantolerant

        Oh look Johnny Lou comes to Betty Sues defense! How quaint.

      • Monkey’s Uncle

        Get out more?? Who’s the troll who thought it cost a quarter to make a call on a payphone? Next time you go to the “big city” with all those sophisticated cityfolk, check out the current rate…or just get one of those new fancy mobile phones all the kids rave about!

      • lessthantolerant

        Obviously you haven’t been to London or Paris lately.

      • Monkey’s Uncle

        Yeah, its been awhile. When did they start using quarters there??

      • lessthantolerant

        actually they use cards but you have grasped the concept.

      • Monkey’s Uncle

        Yes but you haven’t!

      • Cathy Baumgardner

        When we all ignore this idiot he will have no one to spew his garbage at. He is only doing this just to get under your skin. He is not worth the effort for you to let him

      • Ekaterina Kaverina

        Tell this to men who force them into sex. A typical man won’t have no for an answer and if he wants his unprotected sex, he has it unprotected. It is men who act as whores, not women.

      • lessthantolerant

        You have a valid point, if the man forces himself on you, have him arrested for rape. Grow up and demand your rights, not post birth control abortion.

      • hughsbayou

        Yes, because it’s widely known that NO MAN would ever abandon his
        offspring, and NO MAN would ever have unprotected sex with a woman
        against her will, and NO MAN would ever would ever leave a woman in such circumstances without support. It must be the woman’s fault every time as they are all a bunch of Jezebels who should not only be forced to have children but sentenced to hard labor during their pregnancy just to make sure they know who is in charge here. For God’s sake, what world do you live in? Must be on another planet.

      • treeMack

        Glad you like men so much!! IMHO, if a man rapes a woman, regardless of if there is a pregnancy, he deserves to have his *#& cut off and thrown in jail. While this does happen, the vast majority of “unwanted” pregnancies are between willing partners. Perhaps if we, as a society, shamed the people involved and made them take responsibility for their actions, both male and female, we could turn the page on the number of child sacrifices taking place today. Much of sex today is a selfish act. An abortion is just another selfish act that occurs as a result of the prior one.

        How dare I call it child sacrifice? Is the mother sacrificing the life of the child for her own personal gain? Parenthood requires personal sacrifice of another kind. Father’s leaving mothers to fend for themselves is NOT ok and I think of it as one of the most disgusting trends in society today.

      • LvBngMe

        It’s all about shaming people into living a life you think they should be living, isn’t it? Why don’t you sacrifice your computer and do something with your time.

      • hughsbayou

        do you know what sarcasm is?

      • Suzie

        I wish he did live on another planet. Planet Shithead!

      • lessthantolerant

        I’ll bet you would love to play my flute!

      • Ken

        lessthantolerant: You are a filthy pig. Get a life! Anyone who makes over 4700+ comments on here can’t have much of one! No one cares what you think you POS.

      • lessthantolerant

        nice try ass wipe. But I have only had 4,044 posts with 11,000+ likes.

        I make it a habit of posting just so liberals and other scum like you can see there are people out here who will not be cowed into silence so liberal scum can run free.
        Besides it is too much fun to watch you all get your panties in a wad.

      • Ken

        I guess “filthy pigs” like you don’t know anything better to do with your loser little life. My, my, poor little POS!

        Have a nice day loser! 😀

      • lessthantolerant

        I guess I won’t be getting a favorable vote from you? Poor ass wipe is offended.

      • Ken

        Offended,…………………. yeah right, like I care what your POS, loser ass thinks of me. LOL!

      • lessthantolerant

        keep crying Kenny, we all know your sensitive, after all sucking dick makes you a man?

      • Ken

        You know, every sick, perverted, filthy comment you make on here is just the same thing over and over, with a couple different words thrown in! (And you think you’re so clever.) Must be nice to feel all that hate you have in your wretched soul! You are a f’ing idiot, and everyone on here knows it! Whatever hole in hell you crawled out of, it’s time for you to go back there, ’cause the devil needs his whipping boy back now! Bye-bye!!!!

      • lessthantolerant

        Kenny, your whining is boring, go away!

      • Monkey’s Uncle

        Bragging about likes now?? hahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahhahah

      • lessthantolerant

        stating facts is not bragging, you really don’t know the difference do you?

      • Monkey’s Uncle

        No one mentioned “likes” but you braggart! It’s ok, I mean for a troll likes are like gold stars right?

      • lessthantolerant

        Just being concise so you can have something to whine about.

      • Monkey’s Uncle

        Why would I whine?? I LOVE our new same-sex relationship!

      • John

        Again, another despicable comment by lessthantolerant. BTW: Your flute is probably way out of tune and no one wants to play with it let alone look at it.

      • lessthantolerant

        Come on Johnny admit it you need that old tube steak to reaffirm your lip softness.

      • lessthantolerant

        Again another idiot heard from. Woman can say no, especially if the man shows irresponsibility.
        post birth control abortions are the prelude of lazy stupid animals.
        400 abortions a day indicate the stupidity of these women.

      • Monkey’s Uncle

        No, it indicates the stupidity of your mom for not making that same decision. sigh

      • lessthantolerant

        poor baby, can’t stand facts can you?

      • Monkey’s Uncle

        I love facts almost as much as I love trolls!

      • lessthantolerant

        Thank you for proving my point.

      • Monkey’s Uncle

        But I LOOOOOVE Trolls!!!!!!!!!

      • Suzie

        Did you ever hear of a condom????? That is a form of birth control for the MALE, who, by the way, is just as responsible for a woman getting pregnant as she is, (you male chauvinists are constantly blaming the women). The way I see it, men, by their majority, have been running government since government began, and the world is kind of messed up. We need more women in powerful positions in government, business, healthcare, etc., etc. I guarantee you, the world will be a better place if women were looked up to and treated with respect, instead of constantly being put down, by male chauvinists like yourself, Mr. lessthantolerant!!!!!!!!!

      • lessthantolerant

        Please spare me your stupidity. Woman control the final decision to have sex, if the man will show not responsibility, then say NO!
        using abortion as a means of post birth control shows that the woman is either too stupid to be allowed to reproduce or is a whore.

      • John

        lessthantolerant, your views on women and the rights of others is totally distorted. You need to become more tolerant of others views.

      • lessthantolerant

        why?

      • John

        For your plain survival on this planet, that’s why!

      • lessthantolerant

        I survive quite well, vacation half the time and enjoy life. Why should I care what liberals and other parasite think is necessary for happiness?

      • Cathy Baumgardner

        You really are stupid if you think anyone here even begins to believe any of that. No doubt you are just a strung out drug user sitting in his parents basement trolling the internet and trying to make people think you really are something. We see through it.

      • Suzie

        Lessthantolerant: You ignorant, lowlife, poor excuse for a human being. What could you possibly know about a woman’s reason for getting an abortion? Your just a male chauvinist who hates women, and wants to keep putting them down, because that makes you feel like such a BIG MAN. LOL! Why do you hate women so much? Let me guess: None of them will give you the time of day because you are a slimeball! 🙂

      • lessthantolerant

        My dear I have had plenty of women, growing up in California in the sixties was a pleasure as so many stupid liberal idiots let me do anything I wanted to them as long as I supplied them with pot. Many were beautiful young ladies and a few plain one.
        But back to you. You bore me with your stupidity.
        please tell me is 400 abortions a day really choice or just laziness at keeping your legs closed?

      • Suzie

        You’re not only an ignorant slimeball, but you’re a liar too! My husband and I think losers like you are probably typing your hate-filled BS in your dumpy little slimehole that you live in because I highly doubt you even have a job!!!! Go crawl back in your hole, where you belong, you troll!

      • lessthantolerant

        Suzie, you seem like a nice , but “doltist” little liberal. take your husband into the bedroom and perform you wifely duties, maybe after he has been satisfied he will take away your internet privileges and start acting like a man and running your household properly.
        My job is to see that my myriad of employees are supplied with the ability to earn a living and provide me with the tidy sums of profit to allow me to do as I please.
        Too bad you can not say the same.
        Now, get to the bedroom and earn your mans respect.

      • Suzie

        Must really bother you that Obama won, (again), in November, and all you can do is continue to spew hatred at everyone you blame for re-electing him! Get over it, you right-wing nut case. Go watch FOX News with the rest of your buddies.

      • lessthantolerant

        I am amused that so many stupid people voted for this cock sucker. you silly libs want diversity by bringing the trash to the white house. He can not affect me, I have insulated my wealth from an idiot like him and you other parasites, hence it is fun to belittle him and you other scum.

      • Suzie

        Gee, I bet your parents are/were so proud of you and that disgusting, classless, hate-filled, racist, sexist, ignorant mouth of yours. You cannot belittle anyone more than you belittle yourself with your asinine remarks, (and everyone but you knows this, you moron). Head back down into your little troll-hole, in your parents basement, you sorry little loser. Oh yeah, like anyone would believe you are wealthy enough to have any tax havens overseas. (There goes those lies again). Ha-ha-ha! I am so done responding to, or reading any more of your useless, psycho, right-wing, lying, trashy drivel. I go on here to converse with intelligent, educated, classy people, so unlike yourself. NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU THINK! With that being said …………………… you’ve been dismissed!!! (Definition: Reject as lacking in importance and value.)

      • lessthantolerant

        Suzie send me pictures of your lips, I am betting you wrap them around the tube steak well.

        When I head down to SA, I’ll think of you when I am humping my Brazilian houseguest.

        Do yourself a favor, pretend it’s me when your hubby is trying to nail you tonight, it might be your first orgasm.

      • John

        So in other words lessthantolerant…the only time you could get with a women is when they were stinking HIGH as a kite and back in the 60’s….nice.

        Your a poor excuse for a human-being and your comments on here show that.

        Go back to sticking your ugly head in the sand on any of the lovely beaches there in California.

      • lessthantolerant

        You misinterpret what I said, I stated I enjoyed using liberal ladies, after all they usually are whores and should be treated as such.

      • Betty Eyer

        This guy is an excellent example of the hypocrisy of “pro-life”. It’s not about life. It’s about hating women, something he’s obviously been doing for a long time.

      • lessthantolerant

        betty, you have so much potential, now you appear to be just a whiney bitch now.

      • LvBngMe

        OMG you’re hilarious!

      • lessthantolerant

        So you think women are incapable of handling their sex lives and hence need to put out? very chauvinistic of you.

      • Betty Eyer

        Birth control is not 100% effective. You can’t tell if the man will show responsibility before he is put to the test. Some men are actually abusive and the women do NOT in fact control the decision to have sex. Some girls are pregnant by incest. Sometimes the problem is not about whether they want the pregnancy or not but whether or not it is viable or dangerous to the mother. There are a lot of stories to abortions besides stupid or whore.

      • lessthantolerant

        I agree, so why do we justify 400 abortions a day as rape, incest or a woman’s choice?

      • Betty Eyer

        Condoms break. Women need birth control with a higher level of protection that is under their control.

      • baba5

        Let’s see =, God forbid = if you are raped one day (assuming you are a woman) and you want to terminate a pregnancy from that rape. Don’t tell me you would want to keep the baby, because if you did it would just tell me that you are nuts! To keep a reminder of such a terrible act is detrimental to the child’s welfare for who knows by you “lessthantolerant” attitude if you not take out your horror of such an act on the child. You are the whore, not the women who suffer.

      • lessthantolerant

        First I agree abortion should be legal and allowed, especially for rape, incest and the health of the woman. Not for birth control.

        But since the majority of abortions are for birth control for irresponsible women not rape, incest or health of the woman, your point is moot.
        Over 400 abortions a day are performed, do you really believe they are all rapes?

        Please, even you can not be that stupid.

      • LvBngMe

        You’re whining about 400 abortions a day? Nothing for the millions born daily without basic necessities?

      • lessthantolerant

        Whining? simply asking about a fact, have 400 rapes a day occurred which require these abortions, or are their 400 lazy whores out their?

      • John

        lessthantolerant, It takes 2 to tango.

        where are the fathers and their responsibilities to raise their kids?

        Don’t infringe your views upon others; that’s what the Republicans are doing here, plain and simple.

        Keep out of the privacy of others !!!

      • lessthantolerant

        I agree with you completely, but lets face facts when women say no they have more control than men. Abortion as a means of birth control is wrong, period.

      • John

        No Republican ever brought up this as being part of “birth control”….besides in the case of rape (and this means any type of rape) this has no political factions.

        Its a matter of them (Republicans) controlling peoples lives and forcing their beliefs onto others, which is the REAL issue.

      • lessthantolerant

        so you believe 400mabortions a day are all rapes? man are you stupid.

      • Monkey’s Uncle

        condoms work pretty well though…oh but I forgot that would be asking a man to be responsible for something

      • lessthantolerant

        Do not disagree with this point, but a woman has control of situation more so than a man who ruts like a buck!

      • Monkey’s Uncle

        More control over wearing a condom? What kind of women are you dating?

      • lessthantolerant

        You poor thing, you simply are not enlightened are you? Women who are equals in a relationship have rights too, or didn’t you know this?
        Silly libs, rent hookers and do not understand the dynamics of a male female relationship.
        Sad.

      • Monkey’s Uncle

        Ohhh I see, you go to hookers! Now I see why you think women control the wearing of the condom. Got it!

      • lessthantolerant

        I do not frequent liberal women.

      • Monkey’s Uncle

        Take out the “liberal” and I agree

      • lessthantolerant

        liberal women are the only women I know who sell it!

      • Monkey’s Uncle

        So you DO frequent them!

      • Betty Eyer

        Your second sentence is the equivalent of “when did you stop beating your wife?”. Women make the difficult choice to get an abortion at any time during their reproductive years; married women also get abortions. Some families just cannot sustain the burden of another child, or a child with serious health issues when they already have children. It has nothing to do with being more or less promiscuous than anyone else in society.

        And maybe fewer young women would get pregnant in the first place if there was real sex education, affordable and available contraception. Like from Planned Parenthood.

      • lessthantolerant

        yes dear, we just need more condoms for women who can’t keep their legs closed.

      • CherMoe

        Those “whores” can and probably will be in your own family at some point. Most pregnancies are not “planned.” Not all are timely or welcome. Sometimes there’s rape or a child who becomes sexually active DESPITE your holy preachings. NO ONE FORCES YOU to choose an abortion. These idiots don’t even want to permit BIRTH CONTROL. So YOU TELL US what women’s choices are. What about the “WHORING” men who impregnate them????

      • lessthantolerant

        Restraint and responsibilities appear to be words which are absent in your mentality.

      • Cathy Baumgardner

        Really!!! You had to go there didn’t you! I guess they “young whores” as you call them got pregnant all by themselves without any help from some asshole like you!

      • LyndaLBD

        Let me see, ….he promised her everything…he was a Republican’s son, she was a Democrats daughter….he lied to her, he cajoled her, and even when she cried, he still wanted to have sex with her….! There ya go!

  • lessthantolerant

    I’ll bet she gives good head! I wonder if she rents herself out for weekend parties like Michelle does with Malia and Sasha!

    • angellgirl

      Wait, what? Did you just demean the bejesus out of two women with a completely fantastical, very sexually demeaning, entirely fabricated claim? Prove this or delete it. It’s not acceptable to put women down in the way you’re doing. It’s bullying, slut-shaming, and it’s just flat out untrue. And honestly, one of these women is a congresswoman in good standing, the other is the First Lady. And what is it that you’ve done with your life which puts you in a position to slander them?

      • lessthantolerant

        look again, ugly lesbians and whores do not interest me.

    • prowomen

      you are a deplorable creature! your comments are indicative of your ignorance i truly hope that you have no daughters and that if you have any sons, they do not share the views of their parent. but, i suspect you are a little troll who types comments to see what kind of replies you might get. crawl back down in your dimly lit basement and much on some junk food, little troll!

      • lessthantolerant

        Ouch! You sure hurt my feelings!

    • David K. Arruda

      Too bad your wannabe viking ass can’t get any, eh? Now fuck off and make me a Danish.

      • lessthantolerant

        Again, stop sucking dick so you don’t seem so pathetic.

  • JamieHaman

    Please call Rick Perry a forced birther. He isn’t pro-life.

  • Andybuildz

    The biggest farce are when the Baggers call their platform on abortion, “The Right To Life”! LMAO…the right to who’s life exactly, because they sure don’t “demonstrate” the right to any life on this planet…the only word in “the right to life” thats honest is…”The Right”..not that we’d forget where the hypocrisy is coming from.

  • RickR

    I’m consistently disappointed with the inability of most people on either side of this argument to have a rational debate about the issue. I am a person who believes that abortions should be allowed in cases where the woman’s life is at risk, but that they should otherwise be prohibited.

    For those pro-choice individuals who continued reading after that statement, I think it’s important to recognize that society routinely tells us what we can or cannot do with our own bodies, even if those actions have nothing to do with other individuals. I cannot use my body to rob a bank, for example, or to shoot heroin. If I were to use illegal drugs, it could be argued that my actions affect no one but myself, and yet society considers it completely acceptable to restrict these actions. Whether you define a fetus as a baby or not, it cannot be argued that it would not become a baby at some point, and therefore a decision made to terminate the pregnancy does affect another individual. It is the right (and in some cases, the duty) of society to establish laws and mores to protect individuals from the actions of other individuals and for this reason, I think that society has the right to establish laws about this issue.

    There is no specific, constitutionally defined right of a woman to choose, so that argument is without merit.

    I won’t say that a woman who gets pregnant is a slut, because that’s absurd and violates my own prejudice against emotional debate. What I will say is that the act of establishing a legal age of consent for sexual activity implies that a woman who has reached that age is capable of understanding the consequences of her actions. This is the reason behind all age-related laws. One of the potential consequences of sex is pregnancy, and there are many things an individual can do to prevent an unwanted pregnancy. However, it is my belief that if you’re going to have sex, or get behind the wheel of a car, or drink alcohol, or any of a number of other activities we (attempt to) restrict until a certain age, you are accepting the risks and possible consequences of those actions. Should we try to avoid those consequences? Yes. But if you’re proposing that you are capable of making the decision to have sex, you are proposing that you understand the consequences.

    Before any of you throw out the “why don’t you adopt the unwanted babies” argument, you should know that I have three adopted siblings, and my wife and I are at the beginning of the long (and expensive, I will add) process of adopting children.

    Last but not least, I don’t presume to take a position on cases of incest/rape, because the emotional connotations are so severe, and I cannot relate.

    I welcome rational debate/responses to my points.

    • Russell P

      Rational debate begins……now. For every sperm that is denied the opportunity to fertilize an egg, and for every egg denied the right to be fertilized by a sperm, a life is denied. All forms of birth control, including abstinence, denies the future life of a human being.

      • RickR

        This is a classic example of overstating a point to an extreme for the sake of challenging it, which you do poorly. Gametes are not alive, because they lack the necessary genetic material to form replicating cells alone. Setting aside religious beliefs, as a medical student I believe that life begins at conception because that is the point at which human cells form a self-replicating, growing organism that will become a baby. I personally believe that whether you define it as a baby at that point or not, it should still be protected.
        If your point is taken seriously, it must be followed to its logical conclusion, which is that any form of birth control at all is tantamount to genocide, since the loss of a single sperm or egg results in the denial of not only that life, but all future lives that would have come from it. This is not a reasoned or defensible argument.

      • Russell P

        Gametes are indeed alive…or do you consider cells that can smell, respond to stimuli, work together to accomplish a task, and metabolize to be DEAD? (note: I’ve been a professional biologist for 2 decades). I believe that life does not come into existence at any point in the life cycle….that’s why they call it a CYCLE! Actually that’s not a belief…that’s a biological reality. All of these cells we’re talking about are living cells. There is no reasonable or defensible argument to state that human life BEGINS at ANY point…that’s actually my point! Life is a continuum and to attempt to draw the line at a point along that continuum and say “human life begins…right….here” is unreasonable.

    • Me

      I would say that you are exception in at least two ways – one, for actually being an adoptive parent. And, two, wishing for rational debate when your point of view is the opposite of so many here. I commend you for both. Sincerely; I am not being snarky.

      But I do think you are reaching to make comparisons on what is legal vs. illegal and taking such a wide range of activities to compare to pregnancy.

      You must surely realize, too, there are not enough adoptive parents to go around for all of the unwanted babies. What is to be come of them? The politicians who are so dead set against choices also do not endorse any sort of helping hand at all – not welfare, not education, not even healthcare.

      thank you for your sensitivity regarding rape – because having been assaulted at 11, I cannot imagine what might have happened had that resulted in pregnancy.

      Ironically, my own unexpected pregnancy happened in my mid-40s, long married, after my other children. Very real health concerns for me and the baby. I lost the pregnancy and yet the conclusion didn’t happen naturally, if you follow me. My doctor recommended surgery after waiting longer than she was comfortable with doing to be sure there was no heartbeat or sign of life or development. I didn’t want to have a baby at that age yet I was heartbroken. Now, can you imagine if politicians had the right to question my doctor and that surgery? Because bills like this one and the ‘personhood’ bills in other states are but a step away from the government literally intruding on my grief and my body.
      Finally, with all due respect, women are more than a little tired of so many voices in this debate being male.

      • RickR

        Thank you for your sincere discussion.

        I am not sure that I think it is reaching to compare pregnancy with any other restriction that society places on us regarding what we can or cannot do with our bodies. I do agree that there must be a limit to these restrictions, which is why I think that educated, democratic societies have a responsibility to make informed voting choices. I think that the question should be decided in the legislature, where the majority can rule, as they do with other important issues. What concerns me is that so many pro-choice individuals make the argument about “women’s rights,” and I think that is a misdirection at its core. It allows those inflammatory supporters of abortion rights to label anti-choice supporters as regressive and bigoted, when in fact this is not really the true point of the argument. This is the reason why I don’t think this is an issue that should just be decided by women, as it affects more than just the woman making the choice. Once again I go back to the argument that responsibility as an adult means awareness of the potential consequences of our actions. If a woman is responsible enough to make the decision to have sex, then she is responsible enough to be aware that there are risks with doing so. (I don’t place all the blame on the woman either; men should be much more responsible with their sexual activity.) But if we look at the rights of the woman, she has the right to choose whether or not to become pregnant (for the most part) by either using birth control (admittedly not 100% effective, but close) or abstaining from sex. This again sidesteps the issue of rape, for the reasons I stated before.

        I offer my condolences regarding your pregnancy, and I want to be clear that I think that if the mother’s life or health is in danger, I firmly believe she should have a choice. My challenge to abortion rights is against women who are healthy, with a pregnancy that is apparently healthy, who choose to end the pregnancy because they do not want the child.

        I agree with you that there are far too many unwanted and unadopted children in the system; I cannot pretend to have expertise to know how to fix this, but I was very surprised as we initially looked into this process to learn how complicated and expensive it is to adopt a child. I believe that adoption should be much more affordable, and while I support thorough vetting of all potential adoptive parents, I think it makes much more financial sense for the state to fund the process in order to save on all the money it would otherwise spend supporting these children in foster care. The math is just better. It will end up costing my wife and I something like $20,000 to adopt a child. We have been married for 8 years, and frankly, we would have adopted at least one, possibly more children by now if it was not so expensive.

        Last but not least, without getting too far off topic, I think a major reason nothing has gotten accomplished in four decades on this issue is because the politicians you describe are so polarized on the issue, when I think most individuals in this country are somewhere in the middle. I am a registered independent, though I acknowledge that lean somewhat toward the conservative side of the spectrum. I support gay rights, welfare (maybe with some reform, but that’s another issue), and diplomacy, but I also support gun rights, flat-rate taxes, and disagree with abortion. I believe that most conservatives are less conservative that most politicians, though there are exception, and I think that solving the problem of unwanted pregnancies is far more complex than just outlawing abortion. If we are to make a serious difference, there need to be changes in the support offered to women dealing with an unwanted pregnancy, as well as serious reform in the adoption process and foster care system. My wife is a social worker, and I am about 2.5 years from being a pediatrician, so this is something we have had endless discussions about.

  • Ekaterina Kaverina

    No one likes the idea of an abortion, period. How thick does a person have to be not to understand that. Reduce unwanted pregnancies, make contraception available, stop hypocrisy, let women alone. Governor Perry?…

  • treeMack

    Here’s the quote from Perry (Copied from NBC site). ““Even the woman who filibustered in the Senate the other day was born into difficult circumstances,” Perry said. “It’s just unfortunate that she hasn’t learned from her own example that every life must be given a chance to realize its full potential and that every life matters.”

    Now go ahead and disagree with his comment but he didn’t cuss, call her a name or threaten to riot. Demean his office?!? I think not. I notice she’s not saying his statement is incorrect?!?

    Do you disagree with the general premise that life should be allowed to realize it’s potential? I think the whole debate here is when does life start. Look in your heart and ask yourself that question.

    I never understood the mindset that proclaims convicted murderers have the right to live but babies (the epitome of innocence) have no rights.

    • Russell P

      When does life start? Not with conception for sure! For every sperm that is denied the opportunity to fertilize an egg, and
      for every egg denied the right to be fertilized by a sperm, a life is
      denied. All forms of birth control, including abstinence, denies the
      future life of a human being. Life does not begin…it alternates between haploid and diploid stages. Defining the point at which life begins is like looking at a spectrum from white to black (with all shades of gray in between) and asking yourself, “where does black begin”. It’s a stupid question asked by ignorant souls.

  • lessthantolerant

    I still think she looks like she gives good head!

  • brian

    If abortion becomes this hard to obtain, you can count on women of means to get a dilation and curettage like they used to get in the good old days when abortion was illegal.

  • CherMoe

    It’s quite obvious none of these self-serving dominating jerks paid any attention to the case in Ireland of the woman who was made to just lay there and die rather terminate the pregnancy. In the end, if I’m not mistaken, BOTH died. Gee, how productive was that? So instead, her family lost their mother/wife, etc. AND the fetus and the family suffers doubly. I can’t believe this is happening in America … that the law provides for pregnancy termination but a bunch of scared, sissy men who fear women are using political power to try to preserve their “manhood.”

  • lessthantolerant

    I still think her mouth looks like it could work wonders on the old tube steak.

  • LyndaLBD

    Pro Life is not a Republican title, they are anti abortion/forget it if its born….they wouldn’t allow for helping that child once its born.